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A 2002 Prediction Speech By Ron Paul

Hits: 11130 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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QualityJay
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 303 Posts
Monday, January 16, 2012 12:49:45 PM
The department of education was created in 1979. Before that the states had control of education.

Wouldn't be that big of a deal to do it again.

Social Security is a ponzy scheme. It spends more than it takes in. It needs to be fixed, or better yet, done away with. I am in my 20s and have no illusions that I will be getting back what I "give" in social security now. The math doesn't work. My dollars are supporting senior citizens now, I will not have the same luxury when I am old.

A social program is not nobel when it is forced.
A government cannot be compassionate, only people can.

Inevitably, government employees and politicians benefit from the money they took from the people moreso than the people themselves.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Monday, January 16, 2012 7:49:17 AM
When you have a limb infected with a flesh eating fungus, you don't put antibacterial cream on it; you chop the thing off with a sharp a blade as possible.



Stand4Christ
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 35 Posts
Monday, January 16, 2012 7:12:08 AM
Fifth, I believe in a system where everyone can choose how to support the less fortunate. For example, I would choose to support the poor by giving the taxes taken from me to my small church which supports and supplies a small food bank across the parking lot. My church also recently built a hospital on an island off of Uganda on Lake Victoria and supports a orphanage of 250 kids on that same island. I believe dollar for dollar my church is doing more good than my government ever dreamed of. I also regularly donate to an orphan in Indonesia. I know I could be doing more in my own country to help the poor, but I have seen the conditions of the poor in Africa and some Asian countries, and our "poor" are rich compared to most of those I have seen over seas. Sixth, while a large majority of our poor got that way through some type of horrible circumstance, we do, as a country, enable many to remain poor.

Stand4Christ
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 35 Posts
Monday, January 16, 2012 7:03:37 AM
@Madest: Firstly, I don't watch Fox news, really, I don't watch much news at all, it's all biased one way or another, I try to pick up headlines here and there, check out AP every now and then, but other than that, it's a waste of time. Second, you got me on the facts, assuming of course your sources are correct, I don't really have to time to research it all my-self. Third, I was going mostly with logic. A system where a previous generation relying on the taxes of the next generation is not, in and of itself, self-supporting. You would need some type of sliding scale as you mentioned to make it work. Even with that, the tax rates could get so out of control as to make the system fail through protest of high taxes. Fourth, I don't really know if I know Christ, I think I do, and I try to get closer to who he is every day. Some days I feel that I fail, others I feel that I succeed. The point is, I do the best that I can. Fifth....

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24631 Posts
Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:15:05 AM
meh...

jops360
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 582 Posts
Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:47:54 AM
i really like Ron Paul but there are a few things i just cant get behind, the introduction of the fair tax and getting rid of the department of education. on top of that 90% of stuff he wants to do would never make it past either house. i think he fails to realize the president doesn't have dictator like power. but i will agree that he is the only candidate that wants actual change but so did Obama and look what that got him. the only way to start the process is to get corporate influence out of Washington. we need a separation of corporation and government.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:40:14 AM
Ok, folks. As a few on this thread have mentioned, Ron Paul tends to be rather vague in this video. i think he's vague overall. He puts forth ideas that appeal to people that want real change right now, but in many cases, fails to address how he'd get past the hurdles that face all politicians (congressional opposition, lobbyists, etc) and how said changes will affect people So, I'm asking RP supporters to answer two questions with specifics:
1)RP says if a company destroys my land or well water with fracking, all I have to do is sue the company. How am I supposed to compete against well-connected powerful corporate attorneys?
2) If we remove our troops from S. Korea, what happens if N.Korea decides to lob a few missiles onto Seoul?

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:46:05 AM
Democrats social issues = Equality, Healthcare, Social Security. Republican social issues = Hate immigrants and gays, no abortion, repeal healthcare and end social security so we can afford war with Iran... Your choice.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1401 Posts
Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:21:23 AM
The Democrats won't fix it, and the Republican establishment won't fix it.

People will ignore, deride and deny the truth of Dr. Paul's predictions, even when they are taking place right in front of their eyes.

Ron Paul is really the only choice to try to reverse the incredible damage done by the statists and the warhawks.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:23:44 AM
@scuzoid: I wish you were right, because Republicans really were'nt big on the social issues until the evangelical right hijacked the party. (I think it was right before Reagan got elected) Unfortunately, the Tea Party (not the original Ron Paul version, but the current one that now has considerable influence in the house and senate) is again making those issues a priority, and has succeeded in doing so. Not only is that one reason that this election years crop of candidates look like such clowns, its also why Ron Paul is considered unelectable. Also consider that for all of ideas that Paul has, he would find that once in the WH, implementing them will be a lot more difficult than he thinks. (as Obama found out.) Not only will he have the senate and congress to deal with, he will also have advisors to tangle with, and of course special interest groups and lobbyists vying for attention.

Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1270 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:11:12 PM
@jtre

You're right. Then again, I'm a straight white blue collar male. Social policy has never been something I've voted on, and I suspect it'll all be far from the forefront during this election.

mcboozerilla
Male, 30-39, Europe
 649 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:51:25 PM
Wow, he seems so young...

Most of his predictions are like most predictions: too vague or obvious.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:26:39 PM
@Scuzoid: "White Obama"? Um..no. Check out Romney's positions on abortion and gay rights. Also consider that Romney is being courted and funded by social conservatives who, thanks to the Citizens United decision, he is now beholden to, and we have a possible SCOTUS nomination coming up. No way should we risk the possibilty of having another con on the supreme court. That alone should be the reason to re-elect Obama.

Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1270 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:09:26 PM
Is that a critic madest? That doesn't even seem like you're actually annoyed by this difference they currently share.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:53:39 PM
Scuzoid, Obamas not trying to control what people do with their bodies. Mitt Romney says that states should decide who gets a condom. It's Romney so I'm sure they probably had a free condom program in Massachusetts.

Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1270 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:47:00 PM
I don't get it. White Obama has no catch phrase for you to cling to Queen? Same policy bro, so why the disgust?

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:45:34 PM



Now hear this, this dude is the candidate for 2012, this dude and his wooden mannerisms, eerily perfect family and fluency in the revered ancient tongue of Pandering, there is no alternative. (Not that Paul would've been a good one, mind you).

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 4:51:52 PM
Stand4Christ, If you knew anything about history, not just the talking points FoxNews programs into you. You'd know that populations booms and busts have happened throughout history and social security has adjusted with the times by taxing contributors on a sliding scale. Of the 157 million workers with earnings in Social Security in 2010, 6% had earnings that equaled or exceeded the maximum amount subject to taxes, compared with 3% when the program began and a peak of 36% in 1965. About 84% of earnings in covered employment were taxable in 2010, compared with 92% in 1937.
If you really stood for Christ you would support programs that help the less fortunate. I'm of the impression that if Christ knew you, he'd think you were a dick.

ChrisP12
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 186 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:30:22 PM
Broad - vague.

Pooptart19
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2289 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:20:21 PM
@Pooptart19
Music is "Time" by Hans Zimmer


I know. That was the joke. It's from "Inception." :)

tanksterele
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 36 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:16:02 PM
I have been the army for 2 1/2 years my vote is for Ron Paul.

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 598 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:37:09 PM
Wow. Amazingly, the one prediction he made that I noticed was obviously wrong, that we'd pull out of Afghanistan, was made by *overestimating* the ability and/or intelligence of the US. Sadly, we're not even _that_ good.

It always amazes me that people with generally accurate insights like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are marginalized and derided by the US media.

Victim
Male, 70 & Over, Africa
 220 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:35:31 PM
anyone who doesn't think social security/welfare is good thinks that social security/welfare is only for black people

stop being racist

dork649
Male, 18-29, Canada
 11 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:29:40 PM
@Pooptart19
Music is "Time" by Hans Zimmer

Stand4Christ
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 35 Posts
Saturday, January 14, 2012 2:19:21 PM
Dear Madest,
Disregarding the discussion on the Nanny State, I would like to address the subject of your directive to self-educate.
I believe you need to simply use common sense to see the error in your opinion. Social Security and Medicare are NOT self sustaining. The current working generation pays for the previous working generation's program. How exactly is that self sustaining? In order for that to continue to work, there would always have to be more money being put into the programs than there is going out, and we are hitting the threshold where that will no longer exist. Every new deal program put into place all those years ago is fundamentally flawed, and will eventually fail.
Your logic is flawed sir. I would suggest educating yourself.
Ron Paul for President. Who wouldn't want a modern day Nostradamus running the country? I say if both left and right extremes don't like the guy, then he must be doing something right.

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