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 PhotoKing
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:55:46 AM
and the christian church will claim all of them theirs... |
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 davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
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Monday, January 16, 2012 9:21:19 PM
No, it isn't. You're talking about a stable wormhole, since you go on to talk about communication and transportation through the wormhole. That would require magic unobtanium. Or Bajor's gods, obviously.
And who's to say we wouldn't be able to stablise wormholes, whatever that means. Who would have thought of plastics in the 1850's? I think it's entirely possible.
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
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Monday, January 16, 2012 4:44:39 PM
You're sure about that? Can you tell me which planet has intelligent life on it?
Earth.
Oh sure, you could decide to define "intelligent" as meaning "more intelligent than humans", but why? You could also decide that "intelligent life" is a completely meaningless phrase, since it has no definition. If you set the definition low enough, all life is intelligent. If you set it high enough, none is. |
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 Samsquanch
Male, 30-39, Canada
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Monday, January 16, 2012 9:38:59 AM
How many intelligent civilizations in the galaxy right now?
The only known answer is "at least 1".
You're sure about that? Can you tell me which planet has intelligent life on it? The only planet that I know of that has life on it, does have a species of highly evolved primates who have just figured out for the most part how not to throw poo at each other...again, for the most part...there are still a number of the species who still throw literal and figurative poo at each other. |
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Samsquanch
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Monday, January 16, 2012 9:36:56 AM
Zed...again, those results are just based off speculation, and calculations based off of what *we* understand. Infrared light from some kind of stellar anomaly was detected around those stars. Our understanding of astrophysics suggest that these light anomalies are directly connected to planetary objects, given the observation of our own planetary system, so the probability of those being planets are extremely high.
However...there is still a probability that we're observing some phenomena that we haven't discovered yet that could produce the same results...not likely, but in the realm of probability.
So, until we send a probe to those candidate stars, and return standard res images of those anomalies, all we can do is still just speculate. |
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 Steelgrid
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
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Monday, January 16, 2012 9:22:53 AM
News flash,
IAB catches up to the 80s, news at 5 years ago... |
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 MrAtari
Male, 30-39, Europe
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Monday, January 16, 2012 1:57:28 AM
And Enterprise wanted to visit them in a 5 year mission... That's why "The next generation" was necessary, 5 years were obviously not enough (that's why Picard speaks of a "continuing mission" ) |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
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Monday, January 16, 2012 1:55:51 AM
Also...only 100 billion? |
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Angilion
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Monday, January 16, 2012 1:51:52 AM
BUT (here's the funky bit), now that we've built huge particle accelerators such as CERN and are starting to experiment with them in earnest, it is entirely possible that over the coming decades we'll be able to create a wormhole in one of these facilities...
No, it isn't. You're talking about a stable wormhole, since you go on to talk about communication and transportation through the wormhole. That would require magic unobtanium. Or Bajor's gods, obviously. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
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Monday, January 16, 2012 1:43:53 AM
Can someone punch that into the Drake equation for me?
No, because it isn't really an equation. It's basically guess-a-number times guess-a-number. Since you're just making up numbers for it, you can get any result you want.
How many intelligent civilizations in the galaxy right now?
The only known answer is "at least 1". |
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 Neoptolemos
Male, 18-29, Europe
358 Posts
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:54:58 PM
100 billion planets in our galaxy alone?!?
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davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:03:19 PM
BUT (here's the funky bit), now that we've built huge particle accelerators such as CERN and are starting to experiment with them in earnest, it is entirely possible that over the coming decades we'll be able to create a wormhole in one of these facilities... so then, we'll have a "telephone" and open the door to visitation and/or communication from an advanced spacefaring race, right? So maybe we haven't been able to discover intelligent extraterrestrial life YET (and couldn't, until we had wormhole-creation technology), but it could be that we're on the cusp of contact in the coming years and decades. Or rather, *they* would be contacting us...
Interesting thought, n'est-ce pas? |
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davymid
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:03:11 PM
I think most of us would agree that it's likely (we can argue about *how* likely) that there's intelligent life out there in the universe somewhere. But the question is more, would they ever be able to reach and/or communicate with us through the vast distances of interstellar space.
BUT here's a funky idea - most of us have enough scientific knowledge (or at least have watched enough Star Trek!) to grasp the concept of interdimensional space-travel using wormholes, right?
Well, say a technologically advanced race has harnessed wormhole technology, but there are no wormholes near our region of space - it would be like them having a telephone but us on earth not having one - a single telephone is pretty useless unless the other party has one, right? |
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 Zed68
Male, 40-49, Europe
404 Posts
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:27:48 PM
@Samsquanch : we already have !! See !! |
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Lardcarcass
Male, 40-49, Western US
234 Posts
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:59:55 PM
@Samsquanch
I think we could cut that figure down to 15 years if we could convert all the mental energy we spend looking for porn to looking for exoplanets. |
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 Thetas
Male, 18-29, Western US
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:24:37 PM
This is something we've known for decades at least. |
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Samsquanch
Male, 30-39, Canada
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:17:04 AM
Gravitational microlensing, light refraction, etc)...we have yet to actually "see" another planet. It will probably be a couple hundred years before we develop the technology to actually see an exoplanet. |
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Samsquanch
Male, 30-39, Canada
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:14:49 AM
Well, like Newton and gravity, yes, we have speculated this for over 100 years. But, we now have the science to back the theory.
It's still just speculation, and conjecture, seeing as how we are regarding anomalous readings from various methods (gravitational micro lensing |
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 LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:14:36 AM
Can someone punch that into the Drake equation for me?
How many intelligent civilizations in the galaxy right now? |
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 Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:08:12 AM
right o |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:40:50 AM
And?.... Star Trek said this in 1966.
Old news is not news. |
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 BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:36:19 AM
my favorite mitch hedberg joke. |
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BlankTom
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:35:34 AM
It said that there are 100 billion planets in our galaxy alone. I'm amazed it's such a round number. You would have thought it would be 100,000,000,008 |
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 LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:48:10 AM
Obvious study results are obvious. |
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 iLove
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
563 Posts
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Sunday, January 15, 2012 9:44:33 AM
Uh... duh? |
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