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 cheeseb
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 164 Posts
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Tuesday, January 31, 2012 4:07:44 PM
so hypocrisy in the church isn't a symptom of a system where people worship and order their lives around the concept of appeasing a god that doesn't exist, but rather that these people don't try hard enough to appease this god? This guy may have good intentions, but his endeavor is likened unto the Tower of Babylon: it didn't reach god, not because god isn't there, but because it wasn't tall enough. |
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imnakdjumpme
Male, 18-29, Western US
595 Posts
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Friday, January 13, 2012 3:07:07 PM
i like the thought of jesus forgiving me for something i did to someone else. thats like me, (a white guy), forgiving other whites for slavery. |
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CreamK
Male, 30-39, Europe
379 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:22:54 PM
Ih this isn't divine intervention or what but Fry says it the best. And by coincidencem this is my belief in a letter
Stephen Fry i2 |
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CreamK
Male, 30-39, Europe
379 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:04:32 PM
I'm not opposed of similarly thinking people of gathering and discussing their faith. But as soon as anyone in that group starts dictating how the others should behave or think, that group becomes religion.
And these new atheists should learn to keep their mouths shut. Every half-thruth or complete lie will be proven wrong eventually and when it happens: don't start mocking "i told you so".. That is just rude. We can't simply know everything and still we need to function in life with limited information. Then you just have to guess and believe that the guess is somewhat correct and continue making decisions. That's as close to faith a man can have. It's the difference that when that guess is proven wrong with enough facts, man has to be strong enough to change his faith.
I really should get back to sleep.. cantstopcantstopcantstop, i'm probably possessed.. :)hmmm, is possessed with one s or two? posessed... possessed...ah, drat it, i believe it's with two un |
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CreamK
Male, 30-39, Europe
379 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:48:04 PM
And to end my part of that rant, it took me twenty years to get rid of nightmares about armageddon or rapture, name it what you want.. Even when i was dee in religion, did what i was suppose to do, didn't have impure thoughts i still woke up screaming. Don't want anyone to stop believing, nor do i want to recommend anyone start believing.
Oh yeah.. religion also strictly forbids critical thinking and asking questions that might undermine it's influence. If God exist, i bet he wouldn't be afraid to have a little rebellion now and again.. Man in the status of holding the power, on the other hand.. |
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jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
2249 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:45:54 PM
LT456
Really...you need to find something to do with all your time.
oh and trust me, those of us that know what he is talking about understand exactly what he means by religion. |
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CreamK
Male, 30-39, Europe
379 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:43:15 PM
Man doesn't need a religion to talk to God, if such existts. Religion, in a sense what the guy in this video means, is an organization designed to control masses, to gain power and influence.
Catholicism and catholic church are two different things, the latter is primarily focused on gaining wealth. Jesus didn't want us to start these huge organizations, he just wanted us to learn and practice two things: Love thy neighbour and Love God. Everything else is mans own invention.
Personally, i don't believe in both nor do i think that it is impossible for such a deity to exist but i do like Jesus teachings. The etchics and morals that "love thy neighbour" or like i have learnt it, love your fellow man really means. Faith or belief is a good thing, churches and religion are inherently flawed...
Like any religious "bosses" can ever prove they have a mandate from God, they just say to you that they do and you will go to hell if you think otherw |
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 LT456
Male, 18-29, Southern US
5 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:32:05 PM
If you listen carefully, you will realize there are a lot of inconsistencies in this emotionally charged video. There are glimpses of truth, but wrapped up in unsophisticated, pseudo-theological babble.
It's hard to tell what he means by religion. He says religion causes war and fail to feed the poor. It's not religion that causes war, it's men. WWI, WWII (Nazi genocide), Rowanda genocides, Vietnam War, massacres by Mao, Stalin, and Communists were not caused by religion. The Catholic religion runs more charities and take care of more poor people than any institution in the world. i'm not sure what that guy on the video has done for the poor. |
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LT456
Male, 18-29, Southern US
5 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:31:52 PM
Religions are man made in one sense, but they come from man's desire for GOD and to worship GOD, as it is right to do. And just because it's man made doesn't mean it's bad and it doesn't mean GOD didn't inspire it. The Bible itself from which this dude got his quotes was written by man, yet we still call it the Word of GOD. The Bible as we know it didn't drop out of the sky one day, as you know. People wrote/recited it over thousands of years!
JESUS was born into religion. HE said, "I come not to abolish the law [of the Jewish religion] but to fulfill it." HE observed the rules of HIS religion. Some people abused the rules to make others miserable and to make themselves superior, but you shouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water. |
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LT456
Male, 18-29, Southern US
5 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:31:09 PM
There are hypocrites in religions, but there are many saints, and saints are sinners who did their best to follow JESUS. Our religion is a religion of sinners. i don't know of any religion that doesn't have sinners. It is true that people think they have to be perfect and holy to be a true member of a religion, but this is not the case with Catholicism. Catholics are mistaken in thinking this. This is why we have confession All the Freaking Time! We know we sin all the time and need GOD's grace. But there's a difference between a sinner who sins all the time without trying to be better and one who tries his best but keeps failing. |
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LT456
Male, 18-29, Southern US
5 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:30:56 PM
JESUS established a community of followers. HE said, "If you love me, follow my commandments." A community with certain essential beliefs that follow rules and commandments--sounds like religion to me. JESUS did not create a new religion. HE worked within the context of HIS religion. JESUS had religion. HE was a faithful Jew till the end of HIS earthly life. "It is finished," does not mean religion is finished. It means that GOD has done everything HE could to convince us that HE loves us and begs us to follow HIS commands, which is the key to our eternal happiness. Following a religion is not necessarily equivalent to stray from GOD's command. |
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LT456
Male, 18-29, Southern US
5 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:30:42 PM
This guy in the video said he loves the church. i'm not sure what church he belongs to that isn't part of a religion. If you profess JESUS is Lord then you're a Christian, and Christianity is a religion. He wants to break away from relgiion, but he establishes his own rules and criteria for faith, and ironically creates his own "non-religion" religion.
One good thing someone can get out of this: don't be a hypocrite. Live what you profess. |
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 robosnitz
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
2752 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:22:04 PM
Son of Dr.Suess? |
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 Piperquinn
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
43 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:16:12 PM
This was difficult for me to follow.. |
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 mandingo3519
Male, 30-39, Southern US
179 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 7:01:21 PM
@ LtotheG ""I've got the right kind of religion, and everyone else is wrong". Which is what all religious people say despite not having any more proof or logic in their favour" change the word religion to belief, wouldnt that statement describe every side to the whole religion argument? Yes Christians do this(and shouldnt, after all i TRY not to even though i sometimes do) but atheists are summed up in this statement too, but i am wrong for pointing out that side of it i know. Simply i believe in God, i feel Him in my life every day. If you dont, than that is your choice and i respect that. All i am asking is for the double standard to stop. The proof i have of Gods existence is i believe he does, and that is all i need. Atheists proof of no God is no one can show them proof, then so be it. Just please stop with criticizing Christians for doing something "you" do as well "I believe there is no God, You are wrong if you dont agree with me. |
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 justadiver
Male, 40-49, Southern US
48 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:37:17 PM
It was a little too hip hop for me. But I am glad I listened to the whole thing. That's the great thing about being a "PROTEST"ant you can have independent thought without canonized guilt. |
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 iceblack
Male, 18-29, S. America
546 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:22:51 PM
The description has a pleonasm... |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25635 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:39:57 PM
I gave myself to Jesus.
Now that ass hole never calls! |
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 Loxen
Female, 30-39, Western US
1392 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:14:31 PM
I think this is a more worthy message to listen to:
Reflect on this one... |
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 Otto67
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
438 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:55:10 PM
"Jesus didn't need to church to be known."
Considering there is no reference to Jesus by a contemporary historian during the time he was supposed to have lived I would say you are wrong. |
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jpfu220
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
65 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 3:41:15 PM
@uplink: Jesus didn't need to church to be known. Assume he was/is who he said he was/is (which i believe), does he really need people to do anything for Him? He is fully man AND fully God. He wouldn't need us to do anything. He makes himself known when he wants.
@LtoftheG: He doesn't have the "right religion" because he doesn't have a religion at all. Religion is people following regulations and laws to try to relate to God. Christianity is God coming to people and telling them they are free of those laws and rules. Christianity is a relationship. |
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mackin
Male, 30-39, Western US
211 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:33:46 PM
I like a lot of what he says, but he's confusing "Religion" for "Christian Churches". Not all Religions are Jesus-based, Christian, Abrahamic, Theistic, etc. |
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LtotheG
Male, 18-29, Europe
17 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:50:20 PM
While I like some of what he says, the essence of what he is saying is: "I've got the right kind of religion, and everyone else is wrong". Which is what all religious people say despite not having any more proof or logic in their favour. |
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 Uplink
Male, 18-29, Southern US
544 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:39:49 PM
He can go on all day about this Jesus and religion stuff, but if it weren't for the church, people wouldn't know Jesus, and if it weren't for religion, Jesus would have been long forgotten. |
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 thatjimguy
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
419 Posts
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Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:26:43 PM
That was inventive and mondo-cool. |
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