 Ruffiana
Male, 30-39, Western US
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Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:17:46 PM
@CrakrJak, is it more delusional than thinking that one nation can prevent the entire world from repeating histroy without driving itself into eventual collapse? |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:19:21 PM
Lastly Hitler and Hirohito were busy conquering the world, meanwhile the Kim regime is busy trying to keep its citizens from escaping. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:37:14 AM
North Korea has dug hidden tunnels under the DMZ (Only a few have been found) they could easily capture the majority of South's armaments, and ours too, on that peninsula and it would take months for us to haggle and form a 'coalition' to do anything about it.
So not-so-secret tunnels = force multiplier, I find that logic incredibly fuzzy.
It's better that we stay prepared and vigilant and not isolationist, Isolationism makes a country appear weak.
Read a dictionary, there's a difference between "isolationist" and "non-interventionist". Also overexertion of a country's military ACTUALLY makes said country weak.
and the Maginot line, was Patton once said, "Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man..", as is the current DMZ.
Hitler invaded France via Belgium, which the Maginot line was NOT extended to. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 10:13:24 AM
patchgrabber: The only thing I fear is this world going to sh|t because some isolationist like Ron Paul thinks history won't repeat itself.
Cajun: Your assessment of the North Korean military is bullsh|t, North Korea has dug hidden tunnels under the DMZ (Only a few have been found) they could easily capture the majority of South's armaments, and ours too, on that peninsula and it would take months for us to haggle and form a 'coalition' to do anything about it.
Hitler's Germany and Hirohito's Japan were once underestimated as well, and the Maginot line, was Patton once said, "Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man..", as is the current DMZ.
Yes, we would eventually destroy North Korea, but not before Seoul was left in ruins and we lost thousands of men. Not to mention it would piss China off royally.
It's better that we stay prepared and vigilant and not isolationist, Isolationism makes a country appear weak. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:55:40 AM
That was said during the Vietnam War.
Actually we could've defeated the North if we really wanted to. The problem was we didn't want to start a war with China. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:54:57 AM
@Cajun:
I wouldn't worry too much about Crakr, he's in a permanent state of fear, the cause of which I can only speculate.
why should we just hand over Iraq to them ?
Maybe you should have thought of that one before Dubya decided to illegally depose the lawful government, and plunge the country into a world of sh|t that is actually worse than it was before under that other a$$hole. Sure is easy bringing "freedom" by the sword. You had no business in there and if Iran comes in and takes over it's the fault of the US. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10208 Posts
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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:38:20 AM
I find it hard to believe how the biggest army of farmers can take on the competent might of their neighbors to the south.
That was said during the Vietnam War. |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6288 Posts
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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:48:06 AM
God* help America if he wins.
*or any other imaginary entity. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:52:40 AM
This on top of the fact that the South spends over ten times as much as North Korea does on its military, I find it hard to believe how the biggest army of farmers can take on the competent might of their neighbors to the south. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:49:23 AM
[quote"> You've been smoking too much hash there bud.[/quote">
Really now?
[quote"> Soviet Russia is gone ? One of the highest ranked KGB spies ever is in charge there, Putin is a wild card.[/quote">
So what has Russia done lately that make us alarmed.
As for Korea that's a backward assessment of the situation. If they wanted the SOUTH could actually overrun the North before we could even mobilize our own forces. The North Korean army spends most of its time farming rather than training. Their equipment is poorly maintained, and their entire military is poorly supplied. Two-thirds of their air force consist of dinosaurs. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 10:45:57 PM
Cajun: Iran's not a big deal Soviet Russia is gone The North Korean military is a joke.
Iran is not a big deal ? You've been smoking too much hash there bud.
Soviet Russia is gone ? One of the highest ranked KGB spies ever is in charge there, Putin is a wild card.
The North Korean military is a joke ? Estimates say that North Korea could overrun Seoul within 24-48 hrs. They have the 5th largest standing army in the world and outnumber the South's army and American forces 3 to 1. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 5:26:06 PM
Iran's not a big deal
Soviet Russia is gone
The North Korean military is a joke.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3800 |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 5:03:55 PM
they had a lot of strategic value
Doing what exactly? If anything it's more of an incentive for them to lean on us rather than step up and build their own militaries. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 5:00:20 PM
No, they had a lot of strategic value and so would keeping bases in Iraq, Iran is very dangerous, why should we just hand over Iraq to them ?
Doing what exactly? Not that their regime isn't evil but they haven't been giving IAEA the runaround. Even if we could keep our soldiers there, they'd have to be subject to the local laws. Since the admin wasn't in the position to renegotiate the SOFA, that was one of many serious strings they couldn't cut. As for Iranian extremism the mullahs know better than to give any weapons to Hezbollah or Hamas. Lastly it was our meddling that gave them the opportunity. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 2:57:29 PM
Cajun: Yes which cost a pretty penny and have no strategic value.
No, they had a lot of strategic value and so would keeping bases in Iraq, Iran is very dangerous, why should we just hand over Iraq to them ?
And if you're worried about cost, ask yourself this, what more would it cost us if we allow Iranian islamic extremism to grow ? |
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 Justin9235
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1558 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 12:14:31 PM
Can I write in a name on the ballet? If so I'm writing in Christopher Langan. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 11:20:35 AM
@cajun: Sorry, I might have misinterpreted your meaning. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 10:02:47 AM
@patchgrabber
I say let the states fund it, they did that before the 1960s. To be clear though I'm not saying get rid of public education, but not let's not go so far as to keep children out of the work force though. |
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 diylobotomy
Male, 18-29, Western US
1619 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 9:43:30 AM
Iranians can move at the speed of light? I guess you learn something every day. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 9:14:58 AM
That way they can become literate with less expense to the taxpayer.
I know you're a libertarian Cajun, but this is a pretty bad idea. If every kid had to get a job to pay for schooling, how many of these obviously no-skill-required jobs could there possibly be? Also, if dumb parents decide they don't want to pay for their child's education, I think you're likely to see Idiocracy incarnate in the US. Unless you want to hear "But it has electrolytes" from the next generations, keep education government-funded. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9438 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 8:50:28 AM
Gerry
1)There are plenty of things children can do to earn their way into the world besides working in dangerous factories. That way they can become literate with less expense to the taxpayer.
2)So? Why should I care? The current rules prohibit teaching of creationism anyways.
3)So money is not being withheld from my paycheck and going towards the older, dare I say, investors? Sounds like I'm supporting the elderly at my own expense. But if that's the issue I suggest prohibiting taking money from the trust fund for other purposes and mandate that it would be paid back in full by the end of the next admin.
Ron Paul 2012 |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25587 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 7:52:51 AM
Cajun: Exagerration - Unimportant - Because the system is in place at my generation's expense, yes
1: He's on record saying children do not have a right to free education. If not, then it must be something you buy, meaning the rich get it and the poor don't. Put them to work like Newt wants?
2: Not unimportant. He said he does not believe in the theory of evolution. He believes in Devine Creation. What other ju-ju will he invoke?
3: NOT at your expense. They paid into the SSI system for DECADES! If congress stole the money your problem is with them, not with the elderly.
Ron Paul - Nuttier than Squirrel Schit. |
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patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5252 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 7:35:21 AM
Even if he had a cogent point he lost me at "literally the speed of light." |
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 LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
10503 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 7:17:02 AM
If he moves in at the speed of light, then you won't be able to stop him. Not even if you yourselves tried to move in at the speed of light. |
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 zombunny
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2524 Posts
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Monday, January 09, 2012 5:51:47 AM
Literally. |
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