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Obama's Law Quietly Passed: In Jail Forever?

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InTheNameOf
Male, 30-39, Western US
 335 Posts
Tuesday, January 03, 2012 2:30:40 PM
Drat everything....we are doomed. I can't wait for the bloody revolution - I am sooooo there.

"Any law which violates the inalienable rights of man is essentially unjust and tyrannical; it is not a law at all."
"Any institution which does not suppose the people good, and the magistrate corruptible, is evil." - Maximilien Robespierre

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:33:53 AM
I'd like to hear what 5cats thinks of the Patriot Act, since it was his bff Dubya that helped push that one through. Or would he merely say something about how many democrats voted for it? As if anyone could vote against anything labeled anti-terrorist at that time.

elhowell
Male, 18-29, Asia
 168 Posts
Tuesday, January 03, 2012 7:06:57 AM
drat.

pigsnout5
Female, 18-29, Western US
 548 Posts
Tuesday, January 03, 2012 5:40:32 AM
i <3 obama.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5973 Posts
Tuesday, January 03, 2012 4:42:34 AM
@topgun: Unfortunately, you're mistaken. The law DOES apply to U.S. citizens and it DOES apply to U.S. soil. The best coverage I've seen to date was in yesterday's Guardian (UK) article, which you can read here.

topgun966
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 42 Posts
Tuesday, January 03, 2012 4:09:40 AM
O M F G READ THE dratING LAW. Obama would NOT sign it before the provision was put in to include WOULD NOT OVERRIDE ANY CURRENT LAW FOR ANY US CITIZEN OR LEGAL ALIEN. Translation? Does not effect ANY US citizen on US soil. This does however give more powers to US military in other countries. So you should thank god that Obama is in office and NOT the GOP otherwise it would effect ALL US citizens on our soil. (This was GOP's law)

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5973 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 10:58:44 PM
Ollie, you haven't responded. Does this mean we're not going to be BFFs?

~Squrlz dabs at the corners of his eyes with his fluffy tail~

In all seriousness, Ollie, I'm sure our beliefs are fundamentally not all that different. Like 99% of the people on here, I'm just a member of the endangered middle class trying to hold together a life of some meaning and dignity. Have a happy and prosperous 2012.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5973 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 9:55:04 PM
@Ollie. Slow down, my man. You're so full of vitriol I'm not even sure you know what you're saying.

For example: Explain to me how the U.S. Postal Service was founded without federal laws or federal money.

Franklin's hospital and Jefferson's university were also created with public legislation and public money, albeit on the state level. (If you're curious as to why so little social spending was occurring on the federal level, see my earlier remarks about America's limited resources after the Revolutionary War.)

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11716 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 9:34:40 PM
You seem to be struggling to understand what liberalism is, so let me help you out. From Webster's:

Frankly, I don't give a dry fap how Webster defines "liberal." I take my definition from the actions of those who call themselves "liberal." (Actually, many of them are ashamed to call themselves liberal, so now they're "progressives."

But as to your lame-@$$ examples, not a single one of them involved a single penny of federal money, laws, or regulations.

You just don't get it, do you?

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5973 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 9:02:39 PM
@Ollie (cont'd)--

In the time of Jefferson, Franklin, and Paine, this was not a wealthy country. We were a minor player on the world stage and heavily indebted to the French for loans that got us through the Revolutionary War. Ergo, there wasn't a lot of money to throw around on social programs.

But based on Jefferson's shock at seeing the abject poverty of the French peasants in pre-revolutionary France, it's clear that he was deeply sympathetic toward the poor and felt a government should do what it can to improve the conditions of the populace. In 1930s America, when an alarming number of America's elderly were dying of malnutrition and hypothermia because they couldn't hear their homes, would he have approved of the creation of Social Security? Yes, I'm pretty sure he would have.

You're free, of course, to disagree. But productive and civil discourse only, please. No name calling. Thanks.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5973 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 9:00:35 PM
@Ollie (cont'd)--

Let's take Jefferson first. One of his crowning achievements was the creation of the University of Virginia. Jefferson founded the school to make quality education available to the masses and felt his role in "state-sponsored" public education was so important, he included it in his epitaph (with no mention whatsoever of his presidency).

Franklin? He created the first public hospital (I guess you'd call that Benjacare?), the first public library, and the "state-sponsored" U.S. Postal Service.

As for Thomas Paine, he not only fomented both the American and French revolutions with his "liberal propaganda," he also argued passionately for a funny new thing known as a "minimum wage."

Now, without a time machine, speculating what our liberal founding fathers would have thought of modern programs is tricky. But I'll do my best, since you've asked.

(Cont'd next post)

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5973 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 8:57:44 PM
@Ollie: My goodness! Judging by all your kind words, it looks like I really rattled your cage.

You seem to be struggling to understand what liberalism is, so let me help you out. From Webster's:

a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically, such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class).

That definition is as true today as it was in the time of our founding fathers. You ask for evidence that Paine, Franklin, our Jefferson would approve of today's liberal institutions. Piece of cake.

(Cont'd next post)

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11716 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 7:45:02 PM
@Squrlz4Sale, if you seriously think that Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson were liberals in the same sense that Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are liberals, you are either ignorant, stupid, or insane. I can't say for sure, but if I had to pick one, my money would be on stupid.

Can you point to a single shred of evidence that ANY of the founders would have supported modern liberal ideas like federal income tax, Social Security, Obamacare, or ANY of the left-wing collectivist sewage that came out of the New Deal or the Great Society? In fact, they would all be utterly APPALLED at the very existence of the departments of Education, HUD, HHS, Labor, Commerce, Energy, Agriculture, or Transportation.

The closest thing we have today to the Founders' ideas are Libertarians, who, by the way, think liberals like you are a bunch of dumb$#!+ statist tools. I have to agree.

eyesopen
Female, 50-59, Western US
 13 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 7:03:58 PM
Islam has Shariah law, America has Obama law.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16135 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 5:54:05 PM
jtrebowski: You won't find those FEMA camps on google satellite maps, in fact even if you knew what land FEMA owns and where they are, they won't look like a concentration camps. All you will see are empty lots with some ordinary looking fencing around them. They can erect the buildings, guard towers, and everything else needed within 24 hours. The military is well trained and has all the equipment necessary to do this.

Amurika
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 282 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 2:20:20 PM
And just think, a non-American president got this passed. The elite are laughing at us.

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 1:25:18 PM
At first, I was like: "Well, the Constitution MUST provide power for the government to do that, otherwise they couldn't have passed the bill!" So, I looked it up, and indeed, they can do that...in times of rebellion.

I don't see a Confederate flag anywhere.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5973 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 1:25:14 PM
@Ollie, cont'd:

In short, what the corporatocracy did with Obama was find someone who would promote the same old corrupt corporate elite agenda, but with a hipper sound track. It was marketing. And yes, we liberals were duped.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 5973 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 1:20:48 PM
@OldOllie: Any other tired old "evil librul" smears you'd care to share? ~sigh~

Sure, buddy. The American middle class is being destroyed... and it's all the LIBERALS fault. Riiiiiight.

As I've pointed out on here countless times before, if it wasn't for liberals such as Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson--who fought against British oppression--there wouldn't even BE an America.

I guess you skipped class that day.

But wait, I see where you're coming from. You're calling Obama a liberal. Ha. Haha. Hahahahah. OMG, my sides hurt. Obama is more conservative than Ronald Reagan. He's passed tax policies that are more regressive and has now signed legislation that does more damage to the Bill of Rights than Reagan would ever have DREAMED of doing. He's also cozier with the financial industry and corporate lobbyists than Reagan was.

Chiakimoto
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 42 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 12:35:11 PM
@Gerry1of1
You could have voted third party, or opted not to vote at all.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11716 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 12:33:36 PM
Liberals have no problem with oppression as long as they get to be the oppressors.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3238 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 6:55:49 AM
More information about the "FEMA camps" and here. The second link is from Fox "News", and we all know how accurate they are, right? So, I'm gonna have to agree with Crakrjak on this one. If Glenn Beck says he doesn't believe the camps exist, they most likely do.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 6:41:49 AM

@ Fleaman - technically, I didn't vote FOR obama. I voted against McCain. It was the only other option. McCain had a track record of voting with Bush 98% and I didn't want more of that mess. No, didn't turn out to well, did it.

It was a blind choice, but the only one we had.

ForSquirel
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1400 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 6:38:21 AM
I don't know what the big deal is. It's not like anyone would ever abuse this at all.

Fleaman1797
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 719 Posts
Monday, January 02, 2012 3:16:56 AM
well, you people voted for him. i LAUGHED at everyone who said they was voting for obama. (BUT HE IS GONNA CHANGE STUFF!) oh yeah. he sure did.

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