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Everything Is Unconstitutional!

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i05fr3d
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:41:22 AM
Crakr wiki or google 'federal reserve note'. Learn the difference between a gold certificate,or silver. The. Tell me I'm wrong..... :)

i05fr3d
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:33:24 AM
@carkr you are smoking some good ass dope man... :) you need to learn more.

McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
 749 Posts
Saturday, December 31, 2011 9:03:30 PM
its scary thats hes running for president!

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Friday, December 30, 2011 5:45:03 PM
Aisle indeed.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Friday, December 30, 2011 12:57:17 PM
Aisle madest, Aisle! I would have never pegged you for a Ron Paul supporter though - Kudos!

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Friday, December 30, 2011 5:46:00 AM
Addendum: I'm arguing that Paul is insane and if ever in a governing capacity would shock even his most ardent defenders.
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You give a Paul Presidency too much power. He'll merely be 1/3 of co-equal branches of government. Abortion will remain legal. Board of education won't go away but our war mongering ways will end. This is huge seller to all the anti-war people on both sides of the isle.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Friday, December 30, 2011 4:03:41 AM
Zira, I'm sorry for having to chime in here but have you ever tried looking at it this way - instead of mega-corporations bribing politicians behind closed doors you'll have them contributing on Public record, and at the same time enable smaller incorporated entities that may not have had a voice before to contribute their opinion in a more powerful way on issues that may have to do with things like, you know, preserving small business in America? Or how 'bout the impact of progressive tax brackets on the "rich," who many Americans don't realize also encompasses earners in the meager 6-figure range (an income level most Americans should be encouraged to aspire to in a genuinely entrepreneurial society). Sounds pretty transparent to me, doesn't it? In fact, it sounds pretty becoming of this sacred trust you call America's democracy.

Not every corporation has an animated mascot, you know.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Friday, December 30, 2011 1:57:43 AM
The Michelin Man is an entity that has no physical existence and apparently Wendy does, but Wendy is also a single human. A single human with a single vote.

You cannot take a single human's vote and incorporate it, you can't give a single human's vote to a group who already have individual enfranchisement and who hide behind a for profit abstraction to do it.

I'm aware of the proper use of the term Democracy, I use it here in the colloquial sense. Just as it is not necessary to always say "Parliamentary Democracy" whenever speaking of Britain, it is not necessary to always say "Democratic Republic" when speaking of the US.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Friday, December 30, 2011 12:37:32 AM
QueenZira: I can't prove that the Michelin man is real, But Wendy Thomas is a real life person, Link

But I don't get were you accuse me of supporting any effort to "subvert the 1 man 1 vote principle at the heart of our system", as you put it.

We aren't a pure democracy, we are a constitutional republic. The term democracy is very loosely interpreted these days, even North Korea calls itself a 'democracy', but we all know that's very far from the truth.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:43:58 PM
Crakr I do get the warm fuzzies whenever we agree on something, no matter how rarely that is. However *corporations are not people,* we can't subvert the 1 man 1 vote principle at the heart of our system. Entities that are born in a patent office, exist only on paper, have deeper pockets equaling a louder megaphone than anyone else and never die, are not good stewards of a democracy. Prove to me that the Michelin Man and the Wendy's girl are as flesh and blood as you and I and then we'll talk.

In fact we've been through this particular dark stretch of road before, it was called the Gilded Age and it sucked.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:16:22 PM
After watching the video - I'm not sure about Commerce and Labor, and might even go so far as to consider the dept of Energy, depending entirely of course on its parameters and scope of influence. But honest to goodness, who in their right mind would go to all the trouble of defending those numerous other remaining drains on our self-determination and prosperity? Who's that much in love with their income tax?

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:10:26 PM
Yep - nothing shocking about those two headline examples, they easily fit the 'bill.' Just wanted to get that out of my system before I watch the video.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:44:04 PM
i05fr3d: The Federal Reserve does NOT print money, they buy money that is printed by The Bureau of Engraving and Printing and The US Mint.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:41:21 PM
QueenZira: I'm arguing that Paul is insane and if ever in a governing capacity would shock even his most ardent defenders.


That is THE smartest thing I've ever heard you say, and i agree with you on that.

But as for your fear of the people and trust of the government, both are misplaced and unwise.

PhotoKing
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 523 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:58:31 PM
he reminds of of Perdue - the chicken guy

i05fr3d
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:00:55 PM
Federal Reserve notes according to the constitution is unconstitutional. Money was supposed to be only printed by the US Government, not the Federal Reserve. Plus with the massive amount of loans, $10 is like only having $1 :D

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:30:43 AM
Tomato tomatoe, I'm just interested in keeping it from becoming a Democrazy. (The founders did see ancient Greek style direct democracy as mob rule though, good eye AJ).

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10184 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:27:06 AM
"Our Democracy is a sacred trust."

This is not a democracy. It is a Democratic Republic. If it were a true Democracy, human rights would be meaningless if the majority deemed it so. (See California and their gay marriage votes. All 3 of them.)

QualityJay
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 303 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:19:23 AM
A wolf in sheep's clothing? Have you seen his voting record? Is it bad that he consistently does what he says and says what he does?

If you think he is a wolf, he is at least a wolf in wolf's clothing.

Oh and I hope your right, but I believe you are not.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:14:02 AM
I won't call you crazy, it's true, we've seen a great grabbing of power as of late. Ever since 9/11. But these things have a tendency to happen in American history, and in every struggle previous we've emerged victorious with our Democracy intact. We can do it again today. (Plutocrats being what resulted from Citizens United).

And again, Paul is not as he seems, not that he has any real chance at the nomination but still, there goes a wolf in sheep's clothing.

QualityJay
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 303 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:08:35 AM
Zira: I like your attitude. As a "tinfoil hat paranoid" person, I believe that power has been taken slowly for years. Legislation has been passed and not necessarily used openly (even stuff that didn't pass, it's freaky that our "representatives" think this stuff up.) When the economic reset happens, lots of people will lose money. There may be civil unrest and that would be the perfect opportunity to start using these acquired powers and executive orders. (I have read enough primary sources to convince me of this.)

go ahead. call me crazy

And what do you mean give away to a plutocrat? The plutocrats already have much of the power... Ron Paul would cripple them.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:01:10 AM
Addendum: I'm arguing that Paul is insane and if ever in a governing capacity would shock even his most ardent defenders.

There is so much more to a complicated document like the Constitution that can't be sloganeered in a minute and a half.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 11:00:49 AM
The Supreme Court is doing what the Supreme Court does. None of which is unconstitutional. Your parroting Newt Gingrich and I wonder what laws specifically Newt wants overturned. I doubt he has a problem with the Citizens United decision which we the people will eventually change. In the mean time abortion is legal, and you have to deal.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:58:27 AM
Conservatives have, for a generation cultivated a distrust in government that goes way beyond anything the founders respected.

I believe in Government's ability to work for the people and not against the people because #1. of the truly wonderful heritage our founders left for us in the Constitution, (it really is a great system) and #2. Because in this country the government is US. We The People. Why would you ever want to give that responsibility away to some shadowy plutocrat not accountable to The People?

Our Democracy is a sacred trust.

QualityJay
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 303 Posts
Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:54:28 AM
Also, what are you arguing? That Ron Paul is wrong?

Previous post:The constitution grants powers of government, not rights. Rights are intrinsic. The principal of enumerated powers is what our country was founded on.

That is why Ron Paul says all this stuff is unconstitutional. The constitution does not grant the government the power to do those things.

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