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 Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 23995 Posts
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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:38:31 PM
Kinda trying to be a sort of robin hood. |
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 chance13
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
220 Posts
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Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:16:36 AM
The problem with Anonymous is that their thoughts are solely on the target, not on the consequences for everyone involved. Stratfor's email database was stolen as well as the credit card numbers...10 years of emails of both work-related as well as off the clock natures. Now, there will have to be revamps of the securities (which is not a bad thing all together) as well as an in depth audit, as well as fines, audits with every company that had an email in the stack stolen, etc... Being a company that deals a lot with the US government, who did Anon think would end up footing the bill for the clean-up? The government will...the people will...So, Robin Hood? Definitely not. |
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 eovogt
Male, 18-29, Canada
197 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:31:46 PM
@basketkase Do you know why your in Afghanistan? |
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 Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
836 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:20:05 PM
With Nickyjerfferz down there... 'Anonymous' defeats the purpose of anonymous..moral justice at the hands of the general public yes.. Couple of people who claim to represent us as a body = no. Its just a showboat stunt any turd in an office building can pull, doesnt mean its endorsed as popular opinion..especially considering that this is ridiculous..this will affect all concerned parties in a negative way..like something a child would do 'just because he can'. I call bullpoo..this quite possibly could be a scandal designed to give anon bad publicity. Do what you feel is right..not what some other turd told you do. |
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 basketkase
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1156 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:50:09 PM
Tomorrow, we will be dropping another enormous dump on our next target: the entire customer database from an online military and law enforcement supply store.
great steal my money because I buy gear to keep myself alive in afghanistan awesome |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25541 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:12:15 PM
@ nickyjefferz - Anon got thousands of card users info. Including corporations and government department info, but thousands of people too. Real ones, nor "corporations are people" type people. |
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 Viking864
Male, 40-49, Southern US
817 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:48:14 PM
The big problem with this from the Charities' standpoint is not only will they have to return the money, they can also be liable for fees for returning it. In other words, they are worse off afterwards then before. That's not cool. |
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 nickyjefferz
Male, 18-29, Europe
106 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 7:02:02 PM
"the company boasts among its clients a number of Fortune 500 concerns, which pay as much as $40,000 for an annual subscription to Stratfor's potpourri of general political, economic and security analysis from regions all over the world in addition to current hot spots such as Afghanistan, Indonesia and Macedonia" |
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nickyjefferz
Male, 18-29, Europe
106 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:45:12 PM
Lmao, they didn't steal from members of the public, especially not from the lower class/working class, they stole from the military, police and government, and big business. Stratfor is not a cheap company to subscribe to, and from wikipedia "STRATFOR has been cited by media such as CNN, Bloomberg, the Associated Press, Reuters, The New York Times and the BBC as an authority on strategic and tactical intelligence issues. Barron's once referred to it as "The Shadow CIA" not pleasant people, and people who should know better with data encryption.
Secondly do people even understand what anonymous is? I support anonymous and you could say that I am part of anonymous, they have no leader, no rules, just ideas and a central aim, one member is not responsible for the actions of another and many do not agree about tactics only goals. |
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skullgrin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
853 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:22:07 PM
yea, i doubt that was anonymous. sounds like the bank lost a bunch of money and they are trying to blame a hack from anonymous to explain the missing funds. |
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nettech98
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
833 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:03:09 PM
@Gerry: "If it was debit card info then you just lost all the money, the bank does not return it. "
Not true at all. From Visa's website (for example):
"Does my Visa Debit card have security protections?
Yes, when you sign for your purchases, Visa Debit card’s security protections help prevent, detect and resolve fraud in various ways:
Visa's Zero Liability Policy*, which protects you from unauthorized charges. Any funds taken from your account due to fraudulent use will be returned to you. "
You will also notice this is a ZERO liability policy. Individual banks will have different policies in addition to this. |
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nettech98
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
833 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 4:01:00 PM
@Gerry: "Those "zero liability" things are extra services they charge you annually for"
Again not true. 'Zero liability' is Visa's standard policy. As long as your bank debit card carries the Visa logo, Visa will protect it with the policy I previously posted. I couldn't easily find MasterCard's policy, and I don't know how many banks issue debit cards without some sort of tie in to a credit card company. |
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Malakamike
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
52 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:53:00 PM
@SlothOfDoom agreed, anonymous wouldn't do something like this, it's like when they were framed for hacking Sony they didn't do that because it hurts a lot of people not just the business, and taking from a police department would never happen from them. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25541 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:54:29 PM
@Crakr - true. differant banks differant rules. I was with Wells Fargo but dumped them recently for a credit union.
as for Anonymous, if they had directly attacked a credit card company or GE or something I'd not give a damn, but ultimately they just created inconvenience and problems for the average guy.
Anonymous is inefective and a joke. |
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 robosnitz
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
2752 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:06:36 PM
As long as they don't break into my unemployment account.I have enough problems with J.P.Morgan and Chase right now.Every other week, they stop paying me for three weeks, then start it up again after a hundred calls and Emails.Bunch of jack offs. |
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 Jonix
Female, 18-29, Southern US
70 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:32:08 PM
This is like choosing between the Imperials and the Stormcloaks in Skyrim; both groups kinda suck in this case. I'd equate Anon with the rebel Stormcloaks, obv. Anon just has a 'drat you' way of proving a point.
Stratfor sells security, yet people were able to hack into their stuff. This would be forgivable since no amount of information can always be 100% secure, except that Anon claims the info was so easily obtainable because it wasn't even encrypted. That's like the bare-minimum of secure defenses--other than the basic "password protection" which is useless here. Basically, Anon is calling Stratfor a fraud.
If the banks are smart, they and Stratfor will be the ones having to apologize and pay back their innocent customers or lose a LOT of business. It's a minor inconvenience for the card holders, but it's really the companies that will suffer in the long run. I think that was the intent? |
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 SlothOfDoom
Male, 30-39, Canada
2041 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:57:33 AM
@Thetas
Glad to see at least one other person in the world understands it. I hate pretty much everything I read about "anonymous" because it is 90% bullpoo. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14374 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:31:05 AM
Gerry: A debit card from your bank will not replace the money removed from the account.
That really depends on who you bank with Gerry, My bank actually did refund me money after I caught an unauthorized transaction, they closed the old card, gave me a new one, and did all that for free.
The only bad thing about it was I believe my number was stolen from a local Pizza Restaurant, that we really enjoy, I only pay them with checks or cash now. |
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PhotoKing
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
523 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:24:44 AM
one would think that someone would see 200 gigabytes being moved to some place else. and whact could possibly be that large - text is so tiny, even with pictures that's quite a bit. |
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 Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
2665 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:11:59 AM
anon pussied out of denouncing cartel collaborators in veracruz, now they steal credit cards, i suppose its coherent |
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 Justin9235
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1558 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:04:49 AM
Good to see them actually drating do something again, instead of just dick around pretending to be hardcore. Keep at it anon. |
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 Thetas
Male, 18-29, Western US
1536 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:02:30 AM
When "anonymous" does something, it's usually a handful of people, and then they say it was the group anonymous. Kind of like if a couple of wal-mart employees went out and did something. Wal-mart didn't do it, a couple of employees did. That's why anonymous seems so wishy-washy all the time is because they're different groups of people doing completely separate things and then calling themselves anonymous. |
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furryblob
Male, 18-29, Europe
526 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:20:18 AM
Screw anonymous, nothing but a bunch of trolls. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25541 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:56:32 AM
@ nettech98 - those "zero liability" things are extra services they charge you annually for. A debit card from your bank will not replace the money removed from the account. VISA is not the same sort of bank as Bank of America or Wells Fargo.
But besides the $50 per card, {3 crads $150} you also have the hassle of your account gets closed because it was hacked. New cards have to be issued {or they may not issue new ones, just close your account}, MAYBE at the same interest rate, they could up it. And it makes it more difficult in the future when you apply for loans and cards because "are you really you". Add that your credit score takes a 25-35 point hit for "fraudulent report" risks and ANONYMOUS has screwed you several times over.
ANONYMOUS was trying to play Robin Hood and just ended up hurting poor people. Credit Card companies can reverse the transactions and got their money back. |
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Lucky2u
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
314 Posts
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Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:47:05 AM
For all the high praise they usually get, it's good to see people remember "oh yea... they're criminals"
Not to say you shouldn't support their views, I know I agree with them 9 times out of 11, but I always keep in mind who they are. |
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