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Goalie Ejected For Defending Himself From Fan

Hits: 7596 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: Sports | Added by: justadiver
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PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1337 Posts
Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:06:45 AM
Is Bergkamp the trainer Of Ajax now?

j_dizzek_27
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 216 Posts
Monday, December 26, 2011 9:19:35 PM
Well I guess I can see why he was carded. It was probably because he kicked him after the man fell.

cndian_mouse
Female, 18-29, Canada
 141 Posts
Sunday, December 25, 2011 7:45:29 PM
Red card was rescinded!! dailymail.co.uk :
"The ref was wrong! Kung Fu keeper given red card for defending himself after thug ran onto pitch has decision reversed"

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11513 Posts
Sunday, December 25, 2011 12:35:53 PM
This sums up society as well. Someone attacks you or your home and you defend yourself. Guess who gets in trouble?


Them. Despite what bullpoo-laden fear-mongering "news"papers condition you into believing.

Yes, it annoys me.

Here in the UK, we have some of the strongest defence laws in the world and they're explicitly stronger in your own home. You can legally attack intruders on sight and in some circumstances you can legally kill them.

It very rarely gets to court at all - the last cast I remember reading about involved a person shooting someone else *before* that person had got into the house. Shot them dead, through a window. It was ruled reasonable force.

The handful of convictions are a result of deliberate torture and murder. For example, beating the intruder, throwing them in a pit and setting fire to them.

So that's what people who complain about current law want to do - torture and murder peop

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Sunday, December 25, 2011 7:33:27 AM
They don't show the fan attacking first, not to say he didn't. So I would go with the ref made the right call.

ajd121
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Sunday, December 25, 2011 5:19:34 AM
Once the guy is on the ground he is no longer a threat, he could have easily walked away and let security handle it, instead of kicking him. I agree with the decision.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6054 Posts
Sunday, December 25, 2011 5:16:49 AM
This sums up society as well. Someone attacks you or your home and you defend yourself. Guess who gets in trouble?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:05:51 PM
I've just looked at the rules and I think they make it so that the ref was *required* to send the goalie off.

I had that idea too @Angilion. I think ANY violent action on the field requires a red card, ever if it's against a 'fan'.

THANK YOU! For the updates @bankvole & thijs013! I for one am glad for it! (Since I'm far too lazy to look for myself, lolz!)

VV True @mani-jac! I work in Childcare. If some hooligan walked in and threatened my co-workers or (God forbid!) the children, it would be him or me in the hospital. Bone will be broken! Force used will be excessive! Cries for mercy? Ignored...

Mani-Jac
Male, 30-39, Europe
 801 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:31:04 PM
For fuçk's sake

Image at YOUR job, somebody, out the blue, tries to kick you in the back, you kick him back twice, ONLY TWICE!!, what's the big deal?

And don't give me that crap that he's a professional, he should know better, they're trained.....bla bla bla.....he's a football player, he's not trained for guerrilla warfare, he just reacted, the first time in self-defense and the second time because his was pissed off, because someone tried to fuçking kick him, while working...jeezzz

thijs013
Male, 18-29, Europe
 6 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:52:53 PM
This was a match, Az Alkmaar vs Ajax Amsterdam. The goalkeeper was send off because the refferee handled it by the book. The attacker was indeed drunk, a 19yo Ajax fan claimed he just wanted to scare Esteban(the goalkeeper of Az)

His punishment is a 30 year stadium ban, and a fine, and some jailtime probably.

It's not yet clear if the game will be resceduled, Ajax was on the lead with 1-0 and it happened in the 37th minute.

I think yellow card was a better solution, the goalkeeper did'nt handle it professionally...

bankvole
Male, 30-39, Europe
 988 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:44:02 PM
Okay people. Ajax (the home team) have apologised to AZ Alkmaar for the incident, the fan is banned for life, the Dutch FA have rescinded the red card and the match will be replayed. If they allowed this sending off to stand its a green light for any moron to attack a player and get them sent off if they retaliate.

wake_n_bake
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 657 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:23:25 PM
He only kicked the guy in the shins, not the face or head. I would have kicked the guy an extra time or two as well, I doubt many of us would have had the restraint to just walk away.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11513 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 3:08:53 PM
I've just looked at the rules and I think they make it so that the ref was *required* to send the goalie off.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11513 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:54:49 PM
"and by defending we mean kicked him while he was no longer a threat. "

And you would just walk away?



Ideally, yes. Stop the threat, hand over to the appropriate people. That's defending yourself. One kick would be enough force - if a pro goalie wearing boots has kicked you in the leg, you are not going to be able to move fast enough to be a threat, if you can stand at all.

The first kick was clearly defence. The rest was anger. Had he been attacked elsewhere, it might have been defence. On a pitch, with dozens of very handy people to wade in if needed, including a fair few specifically trained for the job, it's not really defence.

I wouldn't convict him of criminal assault, but I would penalise him for professional misconduct. Maybe with a red card, maybe a yellow.

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24631 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:16:36 PM
never p off that goalie... wow actual physical contact in soccer. that was a surprise!

Orchideous
Male, 18-29, Europe
 361 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:05:43 PM
It's not assault with a deadly weapon morons, it's attempted manslaughter/murder.

iceblack
Male, 18-29, S. America
 546 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 1:53:37 PM
It has nothing to do with the guy being a threat
or not, it doesn't even have to do with the 2 lasts
kicks...

The goalie had that red card on the first kick,
even if he was defending himself, he is having an
"inappropriate behaviour" on a sports field, and
since he's the only one of the two who can get a
red card, he did.

As professional players, they are instructed not
to respond an attack, but to let security handle it

HoboKombat
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 40 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:44:16 PM
The goalie kicked the guy twice in the legs. My god, stop the presses. What a dangerous, uncivilized animal.

Forget the thousands of rabid fans screaming cheerfully at the situation.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:39:06 PM
JoeY:

Scooman is correct. When someone is on the ground, as they are more vulnerable, more things can be qualified as a deadly weapon.

Judges have considered stomping (not kicking admittedly in any cases I can find) to be akin to "assault with a deadly weapon" in cases of incapacitated victims.

Here, important line being "Even parts of the human body can be deadly weapons, such as feet, knees, arms, and teeth".

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:34:34 PM
"And you would just walk away?"

When he's no longer a threat. Yes. Obviously. There is no question as to how a civilized person should behave in this situation, the only question being answered here is whether or not they're civilized.

The justification is the threat. If the threat goes away, the justification goes away.

JoeYC
Male, 18-29, Europe
 725 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:19:16 PM
scoomanchoo - no you cant. you dont have a weapon

scoomanchoo
Male, 18-29, Canada
 222 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:00:43 PM
You're aware that you can get assault with a deadly weapon for kicking someone who's lying down right?

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2337 Posts
Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:48:30 AM
there is more to it, it wasn't one guy charging the goalie, there are 3 ppl running towars him, the goalie didn't and couldn't know the other two were trying to help, you can see that after the second kick(the first one missed and the intruder is positioning himself) a guy in grey comes up to him and the goalie is ready to take a swing.
The red card has been dropped by the league, no charges will be pressed against the goalie, the intruder has a stadium ban for 30 years and is in jail atm.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Friday, December 23, 2011 11:08:35 PM
That first kick was enough. NOT "more than enough," just enough.

This is a professional soccer player we're talking about, he could destroy the guy and he knows it. Plus, the dude was probably drunk to begin with, so it wouldn't take too much to put him on the ground and GTFO.

Also, professional SOCCER PLAYER means he can run faster than some chump from the stands, so it's not like the guy could stand up and effectively give chase.

Once the guy was on the ground, I could see kicking him ONCE in a rage, then running off. Twice is excessive. Part of being a PROFESSIONAL is knowing how to RESTRAIN YOURSELF.

If you wanna kick the crap out of people when they're on the ground, there's a whole other sport for that.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25766 Posts
Friday, December 23, 2011 6:56:17 PM
Um, @banur: he was on the field, that guy was still a threat. The keeper should have run away and let security handle it. Or knocked him down, then ran away.

It's a tough call: he kicked the intruder (NOT a 'fan') repeatedly, but it really was self-defence.

I'm correct that this was the visiting team? In that case the coach was completely justified in pulling the team off the field. Especially after the Red Card.

I did notice the Red team's players trying to talk the Ref out of the card too! That's a rarity. Good for them.

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