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 Lebowski42
Male, 18-29, Western US
 64 Posts
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Tuesday, December 20, 2011 8:55:51 AM
Wow lots of people here are really excited about foreskin. I am circumcised, my kids probably will be as well. That said I don't think that I have very strong feelings about it either way, I just want my kids to be like me so that they don't have any issues growing up (why am I different (this happens)). Also I am a student in a psychiatric NP program and we are bludgeoned with the negative aspects of circumcision, then taught to not make moral judgements about female genital mutilation (I refuse to call it female circumcision). |
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 ATL1EN
Male, 18-29, Southern US
623 Posts
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Monday, December 19, 2011 6:30:45 PM
what? |
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 QualityJay
Male, 18-29, Southern US
303 Posts
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Monday, December 19, 2011 12:53:59 PM
It's tradition in my area of the USA. Looks better to me. I'll do it to my kid when i have one. Of course people love to force others to do or not do something because they think its wrong. Just suck it up and raise your own kid. thanks |
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TLCTugger
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
1 Posts
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Monday, December 19, 2011 8:34:06 AM
^^ I can point you towards estimates of phimosis ^^
The rate for adult phimosis is 2% - 4% depending no who's measuring. About half of these cases seek treatment. The rest seem blisfully unaffected.
The treatment for phimosis is gentle stretching with Betamethasone 0.05% - 0.1% ointment. If you can't wait a few months for stretching to work the surgical remedy is "triple incision dorsal slit with transverse closure" which amutates nothing.
Circumcision has no place in a discussion about phimosis. |
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 pmarren
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
3385 Posts
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Monday, December 19, 2011 7:34:57 AM
Hot and stupid, my favorite. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10219 Posts
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Monday, December 19, 2011 6:04:29 AM
Ladies ladies there's nothing to be scared of infact how can you even tell if it erect. You know what hang on...
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9546 Posts
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Monday, December 19, 2011 4:13:57 AM
So...cutting part of a person's genitals off because there's a small chance they might later have a non-threatening and easily treatable medical condition.
Does that really sound like good medical practice to you?
Incidentally, the first figure I found in the UK was 0.6% and the highest figure I could find was 4.5%
You might not be aware that phimosis is *normal* in young boys. The foreskin is supposed to be attached to the glans for a couple of years. It can be pulled back with a bit of force...which makes infections much more likely, which makes harmful phimosis much more likely. Maybe that makes phimosis more common in the USA. Assuming you actually have evidence for your figures, of course. |
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 Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:49:26 PM
Perhaps I too quickly assumed you'd be able to figure out the context of my words.
I say circumcision is good due to phimosis. You say may as well cut off ear lobes. I ask, do ear lobes get phimosis. You say I'm making things up...?
I can point you towards estimates of phimosis anywhere from 1% to 15% of the uncircumcised population. You're not going to be able to talk you're way out of the fact penis studies don't really take place. Men frequently live with phimosis. The number is up in the air.
As to your question, the answer is no. You do it because, again, they're not losing anything important, much like an earlobe, but they can be avoiding a "rare" medical condition. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9546 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:58:09 PM
And the "rare" (I really don't think it's all that rare. It's just, it pertains to the penis so there's hardly any solid surveys) earlobe condition that hinders a fun sex life?
Why are you asking me for evidence of something you've just made up?
As for adult phimosis, you can tell it's rare by records of how many circumcisions are done for genuine medical reasons in countries that don't have a custom of doing it for religious or cultural reasons. Go look for yourself - it's not many.
But the fact remains that earlobes are much more useless than foreskins, since foreskins have a function and earlobes don't.
So:
Are you OK with a parent cutting off a child's earlobes solely because the parent wants to do so? State your reasons.
Or, of course, avoid the question and try to pretend that a medical reason is the same as a cultural custom stemming from a reason you don't even agree with. |
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 wake_n_bake
Male, 18-29, Southern US
657 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:45:25 PM
"How could you possibly know the difference unless you had experienced both sides?"
That's my point. I haven't and so it doesn't matter. My orgasms still feel pretty awesome and it really doesn't bother me. |
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 epiphany101
Female, 30-39, Australia
480 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:16:08 PM
Meh...here's my take on the debate...it's very unusual to have it done here these days. You have to hunt round to find someone who will do it for you. I have a son...he's uncut. I figured it's not my penis & not my decision to make. If he has issues later, we'll deal with them then. If he wants to become circumcised, then all power to him but that's his decision, not mine. Just like none of my daughers have pierced ears...different part of the body but, again, not my ears, so not my decision to make. They can make that (& have done) when they're old enough to make an informed decision. My hubbie is uncut. No issues with health, hygiene, or anything else. Ever. My brothers are both cut. My mother regrets it & one of my brothers has really resented the fact he was circumcised at birth. Again...it all boils down to choice. He feels he has been robbed of that choice. |
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 Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
1079 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:53:23 PM
"I have been cut since birth. I notice absolutely no difference, and since pleasure like most things in life is relative, I doubt I'm missing out on that much."
How could you possibly know the difference unless you had experienced both sides?
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wake_n_bake
Male, 18-29, Southern US
657 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 5:53:55 PM
I have been cut since birth. I notice absolutely no difference, and since pleasure like most things in life is relative, I doubt I'm missing out on that much.
This being said I didn't even know foreskins existed until I was about 13. The problem about being uncut and living in america is that you can really freak out some girls whipping your wiener out, as most girls here haven't seen an uncut one. I have a buddy who's had this negatively affect his sex life, so maybe if you're in america it is worth it to get circumcised, unless you want to try and change the whole cultures view on circumcision.
Really though, I don't think it makes much of a difference either way. |
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Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:52:12 PM
"They actually are pointless, in that they have no bodily function."
And the "rare" (I really don't think it's all that rare. It's just, it pertains to the penis so there's hardly any solid surveys) earlobe condition that hinders a fun sex life? |
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McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10219 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:08:12 PM
Ummmm their are men with a foreskin in America really people????? |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9546 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:45:10 PM
@kegomatix
That doesn't even make sense. By that logic cut and uncut penises would be callused and vaginas too.
Don't be silly.
You have just argued the following:
i) A part of the body that is internal and has developed a different form of protection from abrasion would become calloused if deprived of the form of protection that it doesn't have and isn't meant to have.
ii) That an external part of the body that has developed to use a particular form of protection should become calloused if it does have that form of protection.
You're not making any sense at all.
A foreskin protects the penile glans.
If the foreskin isn't there and nothing replaces it, the penile glans must be toughened to protect it - callousing. Far less so than on skin, but still there. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9546 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:36:03 PM
Anyway, yes Angillion. That's exactly what I was saying. It's a pointless piece of skin that neither hinder's nor benefits anyone at any point in their lives, until, on rare occasion, it does negatively affect their life.
i) That's not true. It serves a purpose. Sure, it's not essential and you can function without it, but that doesn't mean it's pointless.
ii) The same argument could be made for many parts of the body, but it would still be illegal in the USA to cut those parts off of babies because you want to. It is, for example, far more true of earlobes. They actually are pointless, in that they have no bodily function. |
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 xCYBERDYNEx
Male, 18-29, Southern US
4798 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:21:59 AM
@Buiadh, you refer to circumcision as an "American Habit" when clearly it is much more common over on your half of the planet. You make yourself sound stupid with the constant American bashing but I guess that's "your call bro" |
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Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 10:40:33 AM
Every time they change the kids diaper, almighty. Clearly you haven't seen the Howard Stern youtube video "Smallest penis in the world"
Anyway, yes Angillion. That's exactly what I was saying. It's a pointless piece of skin that neither hinder's nor benefits anyone at any point in their lives, until, on rare occasion, it does negatively affect their life. |
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 almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
4278 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:24:40 AM
I have some friends with sons who decided to get them cut only so that they'll "look like their dad"
That is very, very weird. Who is going to be in a position to look at the son's junk and go "Oh, you look so like your father!"? |
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 lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
3620 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:25:07 AM
Rawrg
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
564 Posts Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:04:34 PM
All this made me think about is how I'm married and I've had sex once in the last year.
Oh yeah, and circumcision needs to be outlawed until the man is 18 and can make the decision for himself.
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lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
3620 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:22:44 AM
Okay sweetie, stop reading. Obviously you didn't get a firm grasp if you need to keep glancing at the article to pick out the big words. Anyone can regurgitate information...
...in a robe???
*SIGH* |
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 LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2696 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:05:33 AM
"Is this true? If so, I did not know that... why is it the case?"
It started out as a way to stop guys from masturbating (surprise! it didn't work, it just made it not feel quite as good, though guys who have been cut from birth wont notice a difference) and I guess it's kind of mentioned in the bible so it was justified that way. Now people spread lies saying being uncut is unsanitary and that there's a reduction of STDs for cut guys (without statistics to back them up, there's really hardly any difference), or use the whole "but it hurts a lot worse if it's cut later in life so let's just do it before we know whether or not there's going to be an issue with it".
Most of all, it's done out of tradition. I have some friends with sons who decided to get them cut only so that they'll "look like their dad" or because the dad wanted it. |
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 lukas1051
Male, 18-29, Europe
3420 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 7:09:47 AM
"Most American men don't have a foreskin"
Is this true? If so, I did not know that... why is it the case? |
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 EgalM
Male, 18-29, Canada
1667 Posts
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Sunday, December 18, 2011 6:56:04 AM
Sex releases the chemicals in the brain, it's not the sperm. The foreskin actually produces nothing once so ever, it's a piece of skin to protect the end, it makes to difference if it's there or not.
As for attraction, it's the scent of musk released from the skin that causes it. This is too stupid for me, I can't finish it. |
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