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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
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Thursday, December 15, 2011 1:18:08 AM
The Sheiks and Kings of the Arabic Nations will blame ANYONE who's convenient.
Too true, they were fighting and killing one another, for centuries, before the Ottomans.
The various sects still fight and kill one another even today.
Just more reason to drill for and pump our own oil, eventually we'll be able to tell them to go eat what's left of their damn oil. |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 3:51:55 PM
On the flip side if it weren't for Israel we wouldn't have the dictators using it as an excuse to promote draconian and militaristic agendas.
@Cajun: as @Crakr mentioned, Jews have been persicuted for centuries. With or without a state of Israel, eh? There was no "Israel" in 1942, when the Holocaust really got running, eh?
The Sheiks and Kings of the Arabic Nations will blame ANYONE who's convenient. They've been doing it for centuries with NO Israel at all.
Re-read your statement, it sounds like you blame Israel for the hatred of the Arab world! I KNOW you don't! I'm just saying it kinda looks that way...
And, sadly, there are some who actually believe that if Israel were "dissolved" it would all be doves & flowers from Islam! (In a pigs eye!) |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14459 Posts
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:56:55 PM
Cajun: Not all the Jews migrated away, many stayed even though they were oppressed for doing so. Just as there are many Jews still left in Russia and Germany even today. They didn't leave entirely. |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:43:31 AM
@M Archer
Really now? Because last I checked the Jews moved to Palestine to form Israel in response to worldwide antisemitism centuries after they migrated away. |
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 M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
529 Posts
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:09:06 AM
"Palestinians" ARE Israelis and in fact, are ONLY Israelis. 'Nuff said. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:41:55 AM
Israel is not going to just go away
The politicians I'm referring in fact don't want them to, because then they have no excuse to be the type of politicians they are. A first step in the right direction is to encourage the denizens to expel and denounce those that govern them. The other is stop the foreign aid which goes to the politicians. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:52:37 AM
Cajun: Israel is not going to just go away, so that means the only solution is for the arabs to get accustomed to their Israeli neighbors and quit hating and blaming them for all their perceived problems.
It's far easier to scapegoat others then take responsibility for your own and get to work making your community better.
The Romans scapegoated the Jews, The Spanish scapegoated the Jews, The Germans scapegoated the Jews, The Russians scapegoated the Jews, and now the arabs are scapegoating the Jews, enough is enough. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:01:29 AM
Until the muslim anti-semetic rhetoric ends in the mosques and in their media, there is no chance for peace.
In most countries are controlled by the politicians. Even after 5Cats response nothing makes them less Palestinian (or native if you prefer) or for that matter any more Jordanian. Newt's statement does not clarify anything and is a distraction from the real problem: the politicians of the region. Hezbollah and Hamas for one don't really care about the well being of the Palestinians. On the flip side if it weren't for Israel we wouldn't have the dictators using it as an excuse to promote draconian and militaristic agendas. |
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 PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
1336 Posts
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:22:53 AM
arabs are semite |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
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Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:46:18 AM
davymid: I again, responded to you as well, with more specific links. |
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 davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
11693 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:25:43 PM
CJ, I post this here just because I know you're reading it: I responded to your that old article on fracking.
Off-topic, I know, but just letting you know I responded. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14459 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:54:59 PM
Cajun: Hezbollah and Hamas, and factions like them, are the main problem. They are backed by outside countries like Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and others. Israel wants peace and has sacrificed a lot to gain peace to no avail. Until the muslim anti-semetic rhetoric ends in the mosques and in their media, there is no chance for peace.
Newt is correct, the name 'palestinian' was made up to falsely convey ethnic ownership that doesn't exist. |
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 LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
10503 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:02:57 PM
No... not another post about that useless strip of land... |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6686 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:42:12 PM
He's denying the holocaust; not the one perpetrated by the Germans, the one perpetrated by the Israelis. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 6:27:01 PM
If anything the West Bank's problems are because of the politicians
@Cajun I heartily agree! (This is carried over from a previous thread, in that good way) The trouble is Hamas, which you list as an 'exception' is in fact in charge of Gaza.
Outside Arabic powers have done all they can to keep this "Palestinian problem" from being resolved peacefully.
So I'd agree it's not the "Pali's fault" that they're being used as a pawn. But neither is it Israel's for defending against that "pawn".
As you know, in Chess a lowly Pawn can kill a King or Queen... |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9511 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:51:39 PM
Arabs wanting to destroy Israel.
Except for the Palestinians living within Israel who've, according to Crakr's video, have been treated well. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9511 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:48:33 PM
They may hate Israel, that doesn't mean they're willing cause another humanitarian crisis to do it. Hezbollah and Hamas being the exception and the rest of the politicians just advocating it. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9511 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:43:43 PM
@5Cats
All of which used to belong to the Ottoman Empire. Which gave us Turkey which had a very unique history of Sufism. Egypt isn't very keen on another war with Israel at the moment. As for antisemitism that's mostly posturing. If anything the West Bank's problems are because of the politicians (as the rest of the region would illustrate) not the people. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:07:33 PM
Before you say: Oh, 5Cats proved my point! Consider this:
"Palestine" used to include Jordan too, and Lebanon, Syria and Siani by some maps. Why is ONLY Israel expected to turn over all their land?
Consider This!
Even this bunch calls them "Arab, Palestinian"
Look where they actually live! THAT proves my point. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:01:03 PM
@Cajun: I looked at @osiris's maps, Judea is there!
Take Europe for example: Everyone there is a "European", but it's simply by georgaphy. There is no "Euro language" and "Euro culture" is a vague term which is far less important than "German Culture" or "British Culture".
Consider Canada! The VAST majority of us have ancestors who came here from another country; yet we all call ourselves "Canadians" (well, most of us do!) What unites us? Our geography!
So these are Arabs. Arabic language, Arabic culture & Muslim religion. Living in the AREA of Palestine. Whatever tribal identifiers which set them apart back in 1917 have long since vanished.
What remains unchanged is: Arabs wanting to destroy Israel. |
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 SCfan
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
1679 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:29:11 PM
The only bigger idiot than Newt, is an Obama supporter. |
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 Amurika
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
282 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:39:09 PM
Gingrich is a CFR/Bilderberg member. Just like Barry, he talks a good game. For those of you who will vote for this phuck-up I would like to say thanks in advance for phucking it up for the rest of us, just like the irrelevant moron we got in there now. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9511 Posts
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:06:14 PM
a region name on a map doesn't give name to the people living there.
Bull5h17 otherwise Illinoisan wouldn't describe you.
Try making these comparisons:
Honshu-Hokkaido
Tibet-Qamdo
Siberia-Caucasia
Persia-Arabia
Run comparisons between the examples you gave and you'll realize why this logic fails.
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:54:26 PM
@CrakrJak
those people were known as 'Ottomans' not palestinians
Texans are known as Americans. How were these Ottomans not known as Palestinians? |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
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Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:26:59 PM
osira's maps, as has already been noted, mention the region known as 'Palestine' which was part of the Ottoman empire and those people were known as 'Ottomans' not palestinians.
We have regions in America too, The rockies, the appalachians, The corn belt, etc.. Yet we don't call people from those areas rockians, corn belters, or appalachianers now do we ?
And that goes for other areas too, I've yet to hear of a people called alpians, outbackers, nilians, etc..
a region name on a map doesn't give name to the people living there. |
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