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Two Killed On Virginia Tech Campus

Hits: 6561 | Rating: (2.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Burton_Ian
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Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:43:11 AM
Wow, just realized that i won this argument long ago, by rule of Godwin's law :P..

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26157 Posts
Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:35:17 AM
Nope, that depends on what it is, fool.

@LazyMe, are you channeling your inner "Mister T"? lolz!

Asking to make something illegal, just becasue YOU don't like it, is fascist in nature. Lets ban all stamps over 3 years of age, m-kay? Then arrest the collectors!
Of course stamping causes Harm! Think of the money that could be donated to charity, eh?
[/sarc]

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 11:11:09 AM
That, however, is a very good point :P..

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 11:09:59 AM
No it wasn't. in 1776 the Continental army was comprised of 2/3 enlisted men, and 1/3 local militias supporting them.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13518 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 11:08:20 AM
What baffels me is the UK a place that seems strongly against the right to bear arms so much it won't arm it's police suddenly gives it police sub fricken machine guns during the royal wedding! So to protect royalty guns are great but when it comes to protecting yourself or having armed police to guns are bad. Sounds to me like someone dosen't trust the commoners.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13518 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 10:43:48 AM
@ain1

The Continental Army was composed mainly from those militias.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 10:42:45 AM
@nayrbarr: The viet-cong were trained and organized. The american war of independance was won by regular soldiers. The mujahedin were trained, organized and supplied by the americans.

In any case guerilla warfare is a war of attrition and is only effective at deterring invaders, which America, with it's enormous military, is not at any risk of being subject to.

In the hypothetical event of a military coup inside America, guerilla warfare would be pointless, since the ones making the coup have nowhere to retreat to, and thus have nothing to lose.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13518 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 9:27:58 AM
Last I checked, during the civil war, both the north and the south had armies.


LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
 10503 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 9:16:57 AM
"Oh really?? Do you know how the U.S.A. came to be??"

Last I checked, during the civil war, both the north and the south had armies.

"Neither does 'stamp collecting', we should round up all them "stampers" and confiscate their, um, stamps! For the good of society!"

Stamp collecting preserves historic value.

"Asking the government to confiscate my personal property is fascism."

Nope, that depends on what it is, fool. Is it fascism if the government were to confiscate a rocket launcher from you? How about a nuke?

nayrbarr
Male, 18-29, Europe
 367 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 8:48:03 AM
Undiciplined unorganized armed citizens stand no chance against a regular army. It doesn't matter how many guns they have. It has been proven time and again all throughout history.


Vietnam, 1257–1258, 1284–1285, 1287–1288 and 1955-1975; American War of Independance; Soviet war in Afghanistan 1979-88. The list goes on. Guerrilla warfare has had a long history filled with many, many successes. If you;re going to make claims, do some research.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 7:16:51 AM
@ 5cats: Actually it is true. Take Denmark for example: 5.5 million people; Deaths involving firearms: 7. The US: 300 million people; 32,538 deaths involving firearms.

Also, you only quoted half the sentence. It was actually: "But there is no refuting the fact that guns serve no useful purpose in society, and are actually a detriment to it.". i.e they are not only not useful, but directly harmful.

@McGovern: Yes, do you?. The american militias put up a good fight to be sure. But they didn't make any real headway until the Continental Army was formed under George washington. America was later joined by the french army.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13518 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 5:42:16 AM
Undiciplined unorganized armed citizens stand no chance against a regular army. It doesn't matter how many guns they have. It has been proven time and again all throughout history.


Oh really?? Do you know how the U.S.A. came to be??

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26157 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 5:39:00 AM
if people didn't have access to guns in the first place, the accident rate would drop significantly

Actually @Kain1 that's not the case in reality. Once 'only criminals own guns' you have loaded firearms laying around mixed with drugs or children.

no refuting the fact that guns serve no useful purpose in society,

Neither does 'stamp collecting', we should round up all them "stampers" and confiscate their, um, stamps! For the good of society!

If I choose to spend my money on something useless, it's none of your business. Asking the government to confiscate my personal property is fascism.

I-IS-BORED
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2432 Posts
Friday, December 09, 2011 1:14:41 AM
Why is the talking quieter than the wind? How the drat are we supposed to hear it?

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:59:34 PM
I know of that event, and it was surely a valiant effort. But it didn't have any kind of impact on the german army, and they were sadly but ultimately destroyed.

Undiciplined unorganized armed citizens stand no chance against a regular army. It doesn't matter how many guns they have. It has been proven time and again all throughout history.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5953 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:46:00 PM
Guns are horrible- they allow people to kill without getting up close and thus make it far easier to kill someone. The US has an enormous number of deaths caused by the fact they permit people to have guns, if they did not have guns that number would be much lower. Having said THAT I also see that you cannot put the genie back in the bottle, if they banned and recalled guns only the law abiding would comply. So- how about they stop making and selling any MORE guns and ammo? Perhaps that would work- seems there are enough of the damn things there now anyway...

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14740 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:26:56 PM
Kain1, go to Wikipedia and look up "Warsaw Ghetto." See what people can do with a few dozen guns.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:55:35 PM
So if he didn't implement gun control, the jews wouldn't have gone to death camps?...

At that point he was already a dictator that had overwhelming public support, and what little resistance remained didn't and couldn't put up any sort of real fight, armed or not.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14740 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:42:04 PM
Kain1, you seem to have overlooked the fact that Hitler implemented strict gun control laws and confiscated guns from the citizenry BEFORE he rounded up the Jews and shipped them off to the death camps.

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"There will always be crazy people. There doesn't need to be guns."

No, 8j, that's exactly why we DO need guns -- to kill the crazy people before they kill us.


OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14740 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:31:45 PM
This story has to be false. The VT campus is a gun-free zone, so it would have been impossible for anyone to shoot a cop there.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 10:15:46 PM
I understand your lacking faith. As i listen to the news from over here, it's seems like it's just getting worse and worse.

What i find most appauling is that you live in a place where you feel it's neccesary to have a gun for you own protection, and the police can't/won't help. I can't say i agree with it, but i empathize with your situation.

IrishJesus
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 484 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:52:35 PM
Not to mention my faith in the "good ole' U.S. of A." is lacking. Our freedom is scratching and screaming as it's being dragged down a dark crack in the earth called corruption.

IrishJesus
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 484 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:50:17 PM
Kain1: I won't argue that. Honestly, I have a pistol that I keep behind my bed. It gathers dust for the most part. I have been in a house alone (as a kid)twice while it was being robbed. The police didn't show up til after the burglars were gone, with the only consolation being that they would report it. When asked if they would investigate or patrol the neighborhood more, they just said "These things happen to everyone."

That to me is unacceptable. Knowing I have a "scarecrow" helps me sleep at night, even if its intended purpose is unsavory.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:38:44 PM
@Irish: That hasn't happened in any of the other industrialized countries the have gun control (well, not yet anyway), and some of them have had it since the 17-hundreds.. But somehow i wouldn't put it past america..

But then again, if it gets down to it, a band of disorganized civilians, armed or not, probably wouldn't stand a chance against the mighty US military..

IrishJesus
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 484 Posts
Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:19:15 PM
The reason people want a right to keep guns is because they never want to be in a position where the U.S. becomes a military state and the people are forced to throw rocks and pointy sticks against the oppressors while the police-state bears down on them with AR-15's and teargas.

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