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What Google And Facebook Are Hiding From You

Hits: 14992 | Rating: (3.6) | Category: Technology | Added by: fancylad
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slbtiger
Female, 30-39, Southern US
 105 Posts
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:49:04 AM
savagemonkey you are missing the point. Those opposing view links are not showing up on the screen. We do not have the choice to click on them or not.

These are legitimate concerns about our online future, not conspiracy theories.

savagemonkey
Male, 18-29, Western US
 22 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:21:59 PM
Well... if you were actually clicking on those links of opposing ideas, wouldn't they keep showing up? I respond more often to people who post things I don't agree with, and my google and facebook both seem pretty balanced. Maybe just don't TALK about wanting your ideas challenged and getting a balanced intake, but DO it. Nobody makes you put the cigarette or the extra piece of pizza down. You have to do it yourself.

LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
 10503 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:40:54 AM
I will have to look into putting google back on it's leash... after exams.

bataleon27
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1179 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:16:21 AM
@iceblack- no one is insinuating that it isn't legal and fair. They are saying that it's not the right thing for the future of the internet. They are doing this for all the right reasons, they just have the wrong idea.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11420 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:51:25 AM
Install Ghostery, Adblock+ and NoScript. Not only do they enhace privacy, they actually makes your browsing faster...


Hmm...what do Ghostery and Adblock+ do that NoScript doesn't?

On a related note, do you now how to configure Firefox 8 to delete ordinary cookies on exit but retain Flash cookies/LSOs? I'd rather have it that way and use Better Privacy to delete Flash stuff because BP has a whitelist and I want to keep LSOs for games I play.

Thetas
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1552 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:45:57 AM
This isn't a tinfoil hat sort of thing. I dislike being shown stuff based on what a computer thinks I want, and it has been pretty obvious about it.

The other thing I hate is after I research, say, what keyboard I want to buy and then buy it, then I-A-B shows me ads for keyboards for a week or two after.

Pandabee
Female, 40-49, Europe
 828 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:06:24 AM
There are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they are shown, those who do not see.

I am quoting Leonardo Da Vinci, as I fall into the second group and I can't think of a better way to put it. I need to be pointed in new directions that I would not have thought of, it may not be a conspiracy, but it makes my world a lot grayer.

Sifu
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:03:41 AM
Hm i am searching always for porn and when i write something else in the google i dont get porn related sites :( what should i do to correct this ?

robosnitz
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 2752 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:14:06 AM
Sort of like the moderators on IAB.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12216 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:16:53 AM
Thansk @ CreamK!

I run AdBlock and it has made a major improvement on how fast IAB runs. I even got rid of most of the annoying parts of the interface while still having a full featured experience on it.

Ghostly found these trackers on this page:
* Comscore Beacon
* Demand Media
* DemDex
* DoubleClick
* Google Analytics
* Optimizely

I think twitter button and facebook warnings don't pop because I blocked those elements in IAB with AdBlock.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12216 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:00:53 AM
All those people that you don't agree with on IAB? They're not trolls; they are the differing viewpoint, the perspective that you'd lose if you surrounded yourself with people you agreed with.

Sonsglow
Male, 18-29, Western US
 202 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 9:36:34 PM
How about, the reason that people know, and subsequently care, more about the Kardashians than about issues pertinent to real life is BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE THEIR IGNORANCE. The reason I am hard pressed to name more than a dozen actors/actresses in favor of hoarding obscene amounts of statistics and information on the degradation of the world is BECAUSE I CHOOSE THE MISERY OF BEING INFORMED. Choice. Plain and simple. This is not "big brother" it is not a conspiracy - put poo about the Oscars or Justin Bieber on my Facebook or Google and it will come with a guarantee of me not paying it any attention. Put an article about Greece leaving the Eurozone on the Facebook or Google of the average TMZ viewer and it will likewise come with a guarantee of getting ignored. This is why some people buy Cosmo, some buy Scientific American, some Playboy, some Nintendo Power, and so on and so forth: it's because people choose and act - the pretentious finger-point at "control" isn't al

Purpleraisin
Male, 13-17, Europe
 6 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 4:37:44 PM
Ghostery ftw =D

I-IS-BORED
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2432 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 4:20:48 PM
Title wrong, they aren't HIDING anything from you. They are showing you what is more relevant to you. How dare they take very broad search terms and show you things related to what you have looked at elsewhere.

All you have to drating do is use more than ONE word in your search and the personalization becomes that much less.

birdz
Female, 18-29, Western US
 77 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 3:50:37 PM
@CreamK
Thanks for the link to Ghostery! It has me back in a tinfoil hat mode, lol. (I'm being watched... EvErYwHeRe...)

iceblack
Male, 18-29, S. America
 546 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 3:40:53 PM
I don't think I need to tell you to "READ" at least the
basic info, for example, what kind of info these sites
collect and for what purposes... It's very clear and
it takes a little patience and intelligence to find
it, so don't come at me if you don't even try first

iceblack
Male, 18-29, S. America
 546 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 3:35:41 PM
@CreamK

Here's Google's Privacy Policy, and here's the Terms of Service page. It says that, by simply using their services, you are subject to their policy (Which, by very definition, they DO NOT have to ask you to agree with, it's your responsability to read it before).

Here's IAB Privacy Policy, which you are also subject to by registering and using any service on the page.

Yes, we do have the right to "criticize" any org., but we do not have a SAY in it. See the difference?

And yeah, you are right, we trust them... We shouldn't. That's our fault

uatme
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1019 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 2:17:41 PM
Its hard to consume a jacket that was not tailored to me...

neromondomor
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 2:03:17 PM
Very good

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1103 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 1:55:17 PM
Iceblack:

In your world view, organizations (say corporations as that just what they are, a business) can do anything they want and you have only two options: use it or not. Like we have no right to even remotely critizise these non-living entities..

And since you say that it is our fault of agreeing with their policy, i think my previous comment was all about NOT agreeing with their policy. Services they provide are great but normal user will never know that they are being monitored so deeply. I didn't agree on anything when i first visited for ex I-A-B and still my actions were monitored... Where's the agreement that i can sign here? Or where is this information when you search with Google? The correct analoque would be to buy food that has no ingredients listed....

Not that I-A-B is evil, every site uses these tools...

The point is, we trust these organizations and they abuse that trust.

iceblack
Male, 18-29, S. America
 546 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 1:38:05 PM
How is this remotely "hidden"?
If you didn't know this you live under a rock, are
stupid, or you just click "Agree" without even reading

It's your OWN fault for agreeing with their policy,
which is totally legal and fair because they are
PRIVATE organizations and have the right to do what ever
they want with it

God, sometimes I hate people who think they can force
organizations to do what ever they want. The client is
not always right, and even if it is, it's not their right
do demand ANYTHING, that's just nice words

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1103 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 1:20:12 PM
EVERYBODY, use Ghostery... I get so called "pure search", not personalized search. I was trying to SEO one site, the other admins didn't see the problem as their searches showed that page at the top and wondered why there was a lot of complaints that the page is not searchable.. I've been 6 months (or more) without google analytics and my search results are radically different. I like it..

For ex, in this very page, there are 8 trackers that monitor your browsing at this moment:
- Comscore Beacon
- DemandMedia
- DemDex
- Double Click (evil)
- Facebook Connect (very evil)
- Google Analytics (very evil)
- Optimizely
- Twitter Button (evil)

Those marked evil are the large ones we need to worry about, they are selling this info and using them freely without your consent.

Install Ghostery, Adblock+ and NoScript. Not only do they enhace privacy, they actually makes your browsing faster...

marcus2
Male, 13-17, Europe
 678 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 12:40:49 PM
F*CKING DRAG TO SHARE I CANT PLAY IT. SH|T GET RID OF IT SERIOUSLY.

fancylad
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2523 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 12:14:15 PM
Link: What Google And Facebook Are Hiding From You [Rate Link] - Eli Pariser discusses how Google and Facebook filter what you see and have access to.Tin foil hat or legit concern?


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