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Obama Gives Himself 17 Days Of Christmas Vacation

Hits: 9640 | Rating: (2.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21825 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:28:46 PM
@Cajun, sorry, you need to brush up on your Feminism 101: NOW style! THEY have been pushing for exactly what I describe for decades now, and in most places THAT is what the law is.

Sometimes I think they're crazy, but mostly is makes it easier to convict accused rapists.

You seem to be most upset about "lawyer language" to me, just my observation. It isn't called 'rape' anymore, it's called 'sexual assault' & that sort of thing.

Over & out!

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 2:51:50 PM
One more thing: to show that I am impartial, I've actually read Paula Jone's original complaint. Based on what she said the worst thing you could pin against Clinton would be Battery.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:11:49 PM
In conclusion 5Cats the criteria you have put forth fails catastrophically to distinguish between inappropriate behavoir and violent behavoir. I've made my point crystal clear and I'm DONE.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:09:31 PM
5Cats what you just wrote is absolute utter FAIL! Not only have you taken what I said out of context, you have also fundamentally skewed the concept of violence to such ridiculous levels I am not sure what you would not call violent. Just because someone lets another into their house does NOT mean that they consented to let the guest show them their genitals. That, however, does NOT mean that when the guest does so they have commited an act of violence against resident. Even if the guest TELLS the resident to perform fellatio that still does not mean the guest has commited a violent act against the resident because the guest has NOT done anything to or even attempted to threaten the resident. You are also suggesting that a woman who flashes her chest at someone else or a man who walks down the street buck naked is commiting a violent crime when that is SIMPLY not true because they do NOT or even attempt to threaten the well being of those around them.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21825 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:53:59 AM
Oh boo-hoo laws aren't STRICT enough for you?

Backwards again @cajun! Under the 'old rules' a rape victem had to PROVE penetration for charges to stick. Hundreds of rapists who could afford good lawyers got off free! (eh, the puns!)

So it was an IMPROVEMENT to say that ANY unwante sexual attack COULD BE called assault.
IMPLIED Coercion: it's the backbone of many assault cases, eh?

WITH? You're joking right, because she was there in the room that was implied concent to see "little willy"? Really? She willingly engaged in deviant sexual behaviour with him? Really? "With" in this case means that another person(s) was affected by the deviant behaviour, NOT that she wanted it. If he pulled it out all alone? No assault.
Next you're going to debate the meaning of the word "is"...

Indecent exposure is a FORM of sexual assault, m-kay? Like screaming dirty words at 3 year olds is.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:48:47 AM
Oh wait Willy told her to do so.

I'm sorry telling someone IPSO FACTO doe NOT mean that there was any desire for them to do said action against their will. Coercion or compulsion does explicitly deny the option to refuse, but according to the official record Clinton told her but did not compel or coerce her.

Lastly Paula Jones filed a sexual HARASSSMENT case against Willy. Why the serious downgrade hmmm?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:29:34 AM
Of course mind you I don't disagr


...cutoff...

I don't disagree with their purpose.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:20:46 AM
Penetration? Are you KIDDING ME? Is it suddenly 1971 again?


Oh boo-hoo laws aren't STRICT enough for you? Whilst I don't agree with what he did YOU on the other hand seem to want to label ANY unsolicited sexual act as sexual assault, which would lead to punishments that didn't even fit the crime.
Quick personality test: How would you feel if a woman walked up to you flashed her chest at you and told you to lick 'em, or how 'bout her va-jay-jay? Would you seriously call that sexual assault?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:15:33 AM
Hey 5Cats you missed a keyword in the Arkansas statute:

"WITH" meaning the victim must also be engaged in said deviate sexual activity. Jones said no and left without any further interference from Willy.

Go up to any woman who you've just met, whip it out and ask her to "suck it" or some variation thereof. E-mail us from prison. m-kay?


You'd get an e-mail from my apartment the worst I'd get would be INDECENT EXPOSURE.

Your first link: Well I guess people disagree on where to draw the line. Except that it cites the Texas Penal which is THE SAME TEXT I LISTED EARLIER.
Your second link: ANSWERS.COM are you fu<king serious?

Your third link: Ah an link to the FAQ page of a Sexual Assault victims group a totally unbiased source. <not>
Of course mind you I don't disagr

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21825 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 7:48:33 PM
It's true @HiEv, your link doesn't count Camp David for any president's vacations. My mistake!

When Clinton was getting blowjobs in the Oral Office, does THAT count as 'vacation time'? (j/k!)

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 387 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 6:53:25 PM
5Cats: [quote">Bush: 3 days at Camp David = vacation time
Obama: 3 days at Camp David = working
(again, according to the links provided here by pro-democrats)[/quote">
Uh... You might want to work on your reading comprehension there. The site I linked to doesn't actually say that.

What is says is:
A) In the first year of Obama's presidency he spent all or part of 27 days at Camp David.
B) By comparison, in the first year of George W. Bush's presidency he spent all or part of 78 days at Camp David (nearly three times more).
C) One person is quoted as basically saying that *all* US presidents are never really totally on vacation.

Note that item C does NOT actually claim the hypocritical difference you somehow read into it.

I though I'd mention this since you've erroneously made that argument

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21825 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 6:34:12 PM
A person commits rape if he or she engages in sexual intercourse or deviate sexual activity with another person:


(1) By forcible compulsion



That means: HE DID IT WITHOUT HER CONCENT! "Deviate sexual" means whipping out your junk and saying "kiss it", you get it?

Simple test: Go up to any woman who you've just met, whip it out and ask her to "suck it" or some variation thereof. E-mail us from prison. m-kay?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21825 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 6:30:30 PM
@Cajun: You Are Delusional
Oh, I'm sorry, is that too Canadian for you? Try THIS Then!

Penetration? Are you KIDDING ME? Is it suddenly 1971 again?

In Arkansas, what Clinton did is Rape: scroll down a bit

Unless your law degree is better than Clinton's AND his team of lawyers, you are wrong, period, give it up.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 5:25:39 PM
I'll even refer you to the federal statutes of the United States. I also just read Canada's statute on the matter, IT doesn't even fit.
So ultimately your rebutal is:
By Common Sense: Bull5h17
By Arkansas Standards: Bull5h17
By Federal Standards: Bull5h17
By Canadian Standards: Connerie
For all American cases I just listed they all require penetration which didn't happen. Try attempt? Difficult to prove mens rea there.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 5:16:35 PM
That doesn't even come close to the definition in Texas:
Penal Code, Sec. 22.011.(a) creates the offence of sexual assault. It reads:
(a) A person commits an offense if the person: (1) intentionally or knowingly: (A) causes the penetration of the anus or sexual organ of another person by any means, without that person's consent; (B) causes the penetration of the mouth of another person by the sexual organ of the actor, without that person's consent; or (C) causes the sexual organ of another person, without that person's consent, to contact or penetrate the mouth, anus, or sexual organ of another person, including the actor; or

BUT since this occured in Arkansas I'll refer you to THEIR STATUTE.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 5:05:17 PM
Nice try @Cajun, but if you expose your genitals and make sexual requests upon an unwilling person? That = assault.


Bull5h17 with that logic you could lock up flashers on the same charge. When such indescretion is easily treated as indecent exposure. IF he touched or grabbed yes that's sexual assault, but he didn't.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21825 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 5:01:21 PM
Nice try @Cajun, but if you expose your genitals and make sexual requests upon an unwilling person? That = assault.
Yes WhiteWater was very serious, it is too bad it got side tracked.

@patchgrabber: I didn't say he was worse, I suggested this for two reasons:
1) The Obamas stay in high priced digs on their vacation! It costs a poo-load of money to ship all those secret people and support staff to Hawaii (although they're probably happy to go! I know I'd be!)
Bush 'vacationed' at his ranch.

#2) Bush was regularly roasted by the MSM for his vacations.
Obama is treated like a King by the MSM (hense my tag-line, eh?)

Obama has every right to vacation, esp with his family. But the MSM should apply ONE measure for the PotUS, not a double standard.

krw888
Male, 50-59, Canada
 143 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 1:28:35 PM
Petty, petty petty...

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 12:22:39 PM
Juanita Broaddick: Files a SWORN AFFIDAVIT denying she ever met Clinton. Then she later recants her statement but says she didn't want to testify in court.

If there's anyone you should be mad at it's Kenneth Starr for abandoning the Whitewater case which was very serious case.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 11:44:27 AM
@5cats:

Perhaps, I don't really keep track of presidential business vs. vacation days because generally I don't care. I still don't see how he's worse for taking vacation days than the rest though.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10112 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 11:41:31 AM
@5Cats

Pardon me but Kathleen Willey gave false information about being sexually assaulted which she later a
admitted to.

Paula Jones was sexual HARASSMENT which != ASSAULT and would easily warrant $850000 settlement.

If Ken Starr was so suspicious about a S&L company why did he stop looking into it?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21825 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 10:46:17 AM
@patchgrabber: Based on the links pro-Obamians have given here, one thing is clear:
Each and every day Reagan, Bush & GW Bush weren't INSIDE the Whitehouse was counted as a vacation.
Clinton & Obama can: go to Camp David, fundraise, golf & campaign, but it's NOT counted as vacation time!
Hardly seems fair, eh?

Bush: 3 days at Camp David = vacation time
Obama: 3 days at Camp David = working
(again, according to the links provided here by pro-democrats)

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 6:59:03 AM
Well at least he didn't take as much time off as Bush or Reagan

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21825 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 5:30:00 AM
Clinton lied, under oath, about Lewinski, period. He admitted it in his 'get out of jail free deal' after leaving office.
He told the truth, under oath, about Flowers.

The 3 women who testified in court that he sexually assaulted them? Unlike Cain's accusers, these women brave enough to come into court & face cross examination. He settled with one for over $800K, the other 2 hadn't pressed charges, but were witnesses for the third.

Basic, simple stuff!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21825 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 5:24:46 AM
@Cajun: No, it was Ken Starr's business, the Independant Council appointed by Janet Reno, Clinton's AG. Starr was looking into a suspicious suicide and the Clintons' apparent influence peddeling in the WhiteWater land deal. It was NEVER about sex! (well, except as motive for the other crimes) Jeez you're lacking even basic understanding of issues, man! And @davymid thinks I spout talking points? MOI?

@davymid: Your South-Park Fu is weak: Insted of saying "drat" just say "m-kay".

Yes the Repub candidates are weak, Newt is the best of a bad lot, eh? (you forgot Ron Paul & Rick Santorum, lolz!)

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