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9/11: A New Conspiracy Theory

Hits: 12703 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: eovogt
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HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 598 Posts
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:15:07 PM
You can "speak of" videos all day long, but as my source, which included Freedom of Information Act documents on the videos collected by the FBI, showed: there are NO OTHER VIDEOS that show anything impacting the Pentagon beyond the one that was released.

I did some digging and I can find no reputable source that gives any credit to the idea that there are any other videos of anything hitting the Pentagon on 9/11 that the FBI is keeping "sealed".

Obviously it's hard to prove a negative, so I ask: where is the evidence for your claim?

And I also ask again, if Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon on 9/11, where did it and its passengers go? From my experience, this last question is one that 9/11 conspiracy nuts either brush off, hoping people forget, or open a huge can of crazy attempting to explain.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25677 Posts
Wednesday, December 07, 2011 7:05:59 AM
I was speaking of (typing of?) the minimum of 2 videos which would clearly show what hit the Pentagon, and why the FBI has sealed them.

IF: there's a passenger aircraft just as the Official Story says, then presto! No more controversy! So why hold back proof? To keep people discussing a conspiracy that doesn't exist?
IF: there's NO aircraft, or there's a Predator Drone (with a bomb in it's belly) then Viola! We crazy people are right and the FBI is covering up the facts.

I meantion Zapruder because people forget the lies, the sealing of evidence from day 1, the refusal to show the whole film to the public. That's 'precident' of the FBI not working for the people, but as a tool of government actions against the people. <<this should come as no surprise, eh? They're a spy agency, duh! It's the extent of their evil that's shocking.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:07:02 PM
I was told Rather lied and theFBI kept the Zapruder film, I think I missed the implication.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25677 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:30:25 PM
You tell me.

I just did. (By implication, eh?)

PhotoKing
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 523 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:35:58 PM
of the different things on this video, the one that i agree with is the shooting part.

i just never understood that we had to search for one guy that took so many years. just to shoot him dead and take his computer?

really?

wouldn't it make more sense if it's locked up somewhere next to saddam and hitler in that ward that no one knows about? sure, they dumped the body in the ocean like the mafia, that's really hard to believe. makes no sense at all.

i can understand the flight patterns, we were more naive then. probably as much now, but they are more ready to kill.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:57:52 AM
Sooo, what does keeping them secret do?


You tell me.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25677 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:46:04 AM
Yes @Cajun, 31 frames publicly before Nov. 1964, then a limited release of the important frames by the Warren Com.
Individual frames do not show the movement of JFK's head, Gov Connelly or the times between bullets, eh? Someone with access to the WC's release would need to string them together into a film.
AND Rather made his statement 3 days after the shooting, at which time perhaps 1 frame had been made public, exactly like I said.

Security footage from the gas station and the hotel in question offer open, clear views of the Pentagon and it's lawn. Even if they show nothing, releasing the films would answer many questions, right? If the aircraft were in even ONE frame of footage, that would solve the issue.

Sooo, what does keeping them secret do?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25677 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:37:23 AM
And the editor of Life, and those few others who saw the film (outside of the FBI & CIA), said nothing for 5 years, exactly like I said.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:27:00 AM
@5Cats

Read again 5Cats the frames were published years before. AND the editor of Life saw the film so HE would've known Rather was lying.

HiEv
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 598 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 8:39:21 PM
5Cats: "I did mention that TWO videos clearly showing what hit the Pentagon exist, and have never been viewed by the public, right?"

You're merely supporting my point. You are claiming the existence of videos, and have no idea what is on those videos. That does NOT mean that the videos support your claims. Again "I don't know, therefore I DO know" is not a reasonable argument.

Furthermore, those videos DON'T EXIST. The FBI collected 85 videos hoping to catch a shot of the incident, and ONLY ONE showed the impact into the Pentagon (source).

Seriously, there were thousands of witnesses that saw Flight 77 flying towards and/or into the Pentagon, and nobody reporting seeing it fly away. If it didn't hit the Pentagon, where the heck did it go?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25677 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 6:51:30 PM
First public showing: Feb 13, 1969, from YOUR link @Cajun.
MY case is where? Rock solid you say? Well thank you!
Dan Rather: Nov 25, 1963
Apologies will be accepted. You've been polite about our disagreement, I hope I have been too.

Bonus: Dan Rather says the second shot hit Gov. Connely! But it didn't, it hit the car! The FBI must have known THAT by then, yet here's Rather, their 'spokesman' making grave factual errors galore! (commentors say it was the CIA, idk, but it stinks!)

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 3:01:09 PM
So if you're suggesting had >never seen< the footage, your case is out the window at this point.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 2:57:58 PM
[quote">That seems normal to you?[/quote">

It's not unheard of. Read about the alleged capture of John Wilkes Boothe.

[quote">A reported LIES about the MOST IMPORTANT EVENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY and does so for YEARS and NO ONE NOTICES?[/quote">

Well if, like you said, the FBI didn't release any copies, who would?

Problem with this notion is that the film was already seen publicly while the FBI had their hands on the original copy.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25677 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 10:53:06 AM
By digit you mean finger? idk, I thought you were talking data.
The origional would be completely unchanged by making a copy, I don't see your point. They didn't give copies away, they showed it in a secured room at FBI HQ, eh?

Rather, and the rest of them, made the mistake, it was repeated as truth for YEARS and the FBI did nothing to correct it? That seems normal to you?
A reported LIES about the MOST IMPORTANT EVENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY and does so for YEARS and NO ONE NOTICES?

How "convenient" that the head movement seems to back the Lone Gunman theory, pure coincidence I'm sure!

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 10:22:16 AM
Yeah fu<k you too incubus.

incubus_inc
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 961 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 10:04:58 AM
Cajun... 5cats... I'm calling you guys out. Trolls.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 6:35:54 AM
In 1964 they had digital movies?


Are you deliberately misreading what I wrote to be funny?

Any one of them could knock out 10 copies of the very short Zapruder film in an afternoon. Perfect copies, no harm to the film.


Those copies wouldn't be perfect actually there would a small but significant loss in quality.

I'm NOT saying it's 'proof' of a second sniper, (the Magic Bullet does that!) BUT it proves he lied.


So what's the big deal? One reporter LIED! How does that say someone else other than Lee Harvey Oswald was involved? What is the point of this? What is one reporter LYING suppose to prove?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25677 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 5:45:34 AM
@davymid: when have I ever said it was Bush? Or even Clinton? You're projecting your ideas onto me, it reflects badly on you.
I clearly said that 19+ Muslim guys did it, more if you count their AQ handlers, eh?

I have my own theory on 9/11 which takes a lot of typing to explain, m-kay?

@Cajun: In 1964 they had digital movies? lolz! Hard to copy? wtf? There were photography labs everywhere back then! Any one of them could knock out 10 copies of the very short Zapruder film in an afternoon. Perfect copies, no harm to the film.

So the FBI 'covered up Rather's bad reporting' on THE MOST important issue facing America since WW2? Well that makes sense! And also would be a conspiracy in and of itself...

Point of FACT: even if the film were reversed, the head would still move backwards. I'm NOT saying it's 'proof' of a second sniper, (the Magic Bullet does that!) BUT it proves he lied.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 4:50:16 AM
@5Cats

Motion pictures back then weren't very durable or easy to copy like they are today. One stray digit and BAM there goes a lot of your frames. They were most likely afraid of the risk of their BEST EVIDENCE being degraded, lost, or destroyed. So I go for your former assessment that it was bad reporting and a subsequent cover up of said bad reporting. Afterall mistakes by the government are not unheard of.

DrCat
Male, 30-39, Australia
 70 Posts
Monday, December 05, 2011 12:12:31 AM
This video is bull from start to finish, but at least it's amusing bull.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:10:21 PM
F*ck me, Herman Cain couldn't even keep one broad he apparently screwed for 13 years silent. Why would anyone with an ounce of sanity believe that the Bush Administration, with it's many followers, would keep schtum about a mass attack on America?

Occam's Razor indeed. I offer THIS LINK to illustrate how f*cking ridiculous this entire bullwank notion is.

Crakr, I think the teachings of the parable here is, be careful who you side yourself with.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:09:31 PM
Explanation 1: Religious fundamentalists, who had aready stated their intentions to do so, carried out a terrorist attack. We know who they were, we know how they did it. Buildings were brought down under known means, including Building 7, as has been admonished by numerous (that's *numerous*) building engineers who we hope know what they're talking about.

Explanation 2: The Bush Administration, incuding hundreds, if not thousands of people "in the know" orchestrated the entire thing. Without anyone noticing, or whistleblowing, just to set up a predetermined war in the Middle East for oil or somesuch.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Sunday, December 04, 2011 11:09:01 PM
And in other breaking news, I'm standing directly with Crackrjak. The "Conspiracy Theory" that the Bush Administration orchestrated 9-11 is utter and outright bullcum.

Bush, could barely orchestrate a garden party, never mind the greatest ever terrorist attack on American soil, without anyone ever knowing about it.

Delighted that 5Cats already mentioned "Occam's Razor".

For those not aquainted with the idea, Occam's Razor is a scientific ideal which (basically) states that the simplest explanation for any phenomenon is the most likely.

So, scenario: There is a massive attack on the US, using airplanes as missiles, on the very symbols of America, the west, and its values.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25677 Posts
Sunday, December 04, 2011 6:01:34 PM
No worries @Crakr! You catch enough heat already.

@Cajun: Dan Rather was reporting to the US Public on the contents of the Zapruder film at the request of the FBI! They didn't want to release the film, but demands were hot & heavy so they found a way out: let a few journalists see it, they can tell the Public about it and Presto! The FBI can keep it under wraps! If he'd "made a mistake" like that, don't you think the FBI just MIGHT have mentioned something?
Rather claimed later that the film was shown that way, that left & right were reversed (or some such rot).

SO: either the FBI "made a boo boo" setting up the film, AND failed to notice that Rather, their 'spokesperson' got it bass-ackwards. AND in the ensuing years until the film was made public, didn't bother to correct the hundreds of references to this error...
OR Rather did what he was told and lied for the FBI.
Apply Occam's Razor plz.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17134 Posts
Sunday, December 04, 2011 4:34:58 PM
This is one time I will not side with 5Cats, Sorry bud.

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