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One Good Cop

Hits: 11436 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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Batmanners
Male, 18-29, Canada
 4012 Posts
Friday, December 02, 2011 9:31:20 PM
Just going to throw it out there:
Orange jumpsuit
Muslim beard
Bandana
Camera ready to shoot ASAP
Protesting
Christian Sign
9/11 sign
and a videocamera...

These guys are baiting the cops.

Abandonnez
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 230 Posts
Wednesday, November 30, 2011 5:48:43 PM
I feel great that a cop from my state responded with such a positive attitude.

ccalhoun86
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 76 Posts
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:24:12 PM
The people want productive responsible government policy. The people want an economy that makes things and creates jobs. A government that shuns corporate lobbyists to prevent monopolies or price hikes. The people believe the government should work for them. The scare tactics and reinforced police system is the baby of the republicans. Republicans aren't cutting "government", they're trying to cut more jobs and programs, raise taxes on the middle and lower class, and make even more cuts to the already struggling education system. They want to increase prices for medicare/medicade, feeding the health care industry even more money, making it even harder to survive on social security. I agree the government spends too much money... on salaries and retirement pensions for congressman. On a whole slew of things that do absolutely nothing for the people or the economy. Those aren't the cuts the republicans are pledging.

incubus_inc
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 969 Posts
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:50:06 AM
You want a good way to re-boost your economy? There it is right there. I'm goin' to Illinois.

skine
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 724 Posts
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:47:58 AM
"Sure there's no law, but you wouldn't want to be video taped for no reason either, would you?"

The difference is that, between two individuals, it's only a "he said, she said" situation.

Between an individual and a cop, though, it's "cop says, doesn't matter what you say unless you have evidence."

FuriousC
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 38 Posts
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 6:05:37 AM
The same crowd that complains about government intrusion are same ones who vote politicians in office who expand the size and power of government.

ccalhoun86
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 76 Posts
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:39:14 AM
@ luckydave
I was heading to a concert to see blue felix, psychostick, motograter, and mushroomhead. Unfortunately, motograter broke up like 4 days prior to the show. It was still intense.

LuckyDave
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 674 Posts
Tuesday, November 29, 2011 2:20:50 AM
ccalhoun as much as I disagree with your choice of facial products, I fully agree with your views on the American law enforcement.

While I have yet to just randomly be asked for my ID, and though I have no qualms showing it as I have nothing to hide, it shouldn't be the police's job to keep tabs on the public, but to help the public out only if there is an issue.

ryan99
Male, 13-17, Western US
 2349 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 9:14:21 PM
Sure there's no law, but you wouldn't want to be video taped for no reason either, would you?

ccalhoun86
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 76 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 9:00:33 PM
Wow! Anyone who has to ask why its a big deal to show their I.D. is the problem in America. It's a big deal because it's not the officers duty to ask to see it; its a big deal because this isn't Nazi Germany and we shouldn't be required to carry papers on us to prove who we are. Damn't, you just made me imitate Glenn Beck. There are no laws against walking down the side of the street, there are no laws against taking pictures or recording in a public environment, and there are definitely no laws against recording police committing crimes. @ Beternal, the good cop is at the very end. He is polite, not in any way aggressive or intimidating, he asks a couple questions, wishes em good luck, and leaves. He treats them like people. Unheard of by todays police standards.

uatme
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1026 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 4:16:36 PM
Im not familiar with American cops but why would they stop someone on the side of the road and ask them for ID?

skine
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 724 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 2:46:50 PM
"Wiretapping laws do not apply in public."

This is not entirely true. While the laws only apply when there is a reasonable expectation of privacy, being in public does not necessarily remove that expectation.

For example, if two men are seated on a park bench in a remote area of the park with no passerbys, then it would still be wiretapping to wire the bench without making it obvious that the bench was wired. This may include posting a sign, or displaying the camera in an obvious place.

However, with these men, the fact that the camera was obviously on and recording dispels any expectation of privacy.

beternal
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2441 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 1:27:11 PM
So where is the good cop? - I watched 2 minutes of "can i have idea and can you turn the camera off" - when does it get to the good cop?

Kleidermotte
Male, 18-29, Europe
 168 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 1:15:13 PM
@ random
Of course I saw them not beeing in Germany or even Europe, I just wonder why it is such a big deal to show ones ID. There is no harm beeing done in carrying, or showing an ID. Policemen have to make sure the inhabitants of a state are safe. Two people walking around with signs, one looking like an inmate could be a threat to public safety. If they are no wanted criminals, then why not just show the ID to show the cop that you mean no harm. To identify oneself is, in my oppinion, no demand, but a mandatory requirement of a functioning, safe country.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 6019 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 12:59:39 PM
Ok- yes they were being awkward- probably on purpose, yes, I think their belief in conspiracy is silly and misplaced. However, if we ever permit the police to overreach their lawful powers by so much as a hairsbreadth without protest then within a short time they will consider that they ARE the law. These officers must have been given greater latitude by those they serve than was wise...

daroofa
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 132 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 12:28:11 PM
Effingham and eggs are awesome.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1266 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 12:11:59 PM
FistOfBono - they have the right to be dickish, they are citizens exercising their rights to be a'holes under the US constitution. The police are public servants, they are working. They have responsibilities that go with that role.

Reganom

I have been asked by the police why I was taking photos. I felt intimidated - he came over just to ask me. My brother is a police officer, and I applied and was accepted; I am pro-police, but despair over their attitude to cameras.

I have mentioned a few incidents on my blog; this is the worst http://bit.ly/ulTL04

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1266 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 12:00:25 PM
Of course the irony is that the Illinois policeman, who could legally have demanded they switch the camera off, is the one that didn't ...

Reganom
Male, 18-29, Europe
 505 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 11:44:11 AM
I feel that i must be in a minority, every time i've encountered the police in the UK they've been nothing but polite, respectful, and dare i say it, professional.

I also don't understand what the big deal is about them asking to see ID, is it really a big invasion of privacy and i'm just not understanding it?

Does anyone else find it a little bit funny that the video has got comments disabled on youtube?

FistOfBono
Male, 18-29, Canada
 33 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 11:32:40 AM
@random

You know, I also don't agree with what they say, but I entirely support their right to say it. The police may not have to check for ID, but most will. I find in that case, it's a lot less hassle to just show them.

Admittedly, the cops did seem a bit dickish, but I would say these guys weren't much better.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1266 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 11:19:30 AM
Scuzoid

Sorry, you are wrong. The attorneys general in many states do not know the wiretapping laws. The police are terrible. There are, in fact, only two states where it is not explicitly permitted to do what these men did (Illinois changed the law to ban it, ina bit of typical IL corruption; I can't remember the other). Wiretapping laws do not apply in public.

These men were right, probably in every case, that they were permitted to keep filming. This is a big problem for photographers throughout the free world (hence I know the US laws; try following Instapundit, this is one of Prof Reynolds's pet subjects). Far too many police don;t know the law, and far too many laws have been twisted.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1266 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 11:14:49 AM
Kleidermotte

If you didn't notice they were not in Germany. have you ever thought that Germany has the wrong idea? That no-one should be able to tell you what to do without any cause for thinking you might have done anything wrong? Have you ever thought that is the start of how things go wrong? Allowing the government (your servant) to make demands of you with little reason is not a good precedent.

In the UK we have recently defeated a government plan to mandate ID. Except for a brief period in the late 1940s, ended by a court judgement, we have never had to show ID in peacetime. Might that explain at least in a small part our relative histories?

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1266 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 11:10:21 AM
FistofBono

Why? These officers of the "law" had no idea of the law, and had crossed over into being bullies. Always stand up to bullies, in everything, without exception. If once you let them bully you, they will push further, they will bully other people.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1266 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 11:08:49 AM
I disagree with every principle for which they are protesting. I think they are utter idiots for being 9/11 truthers, and have completely departed from reality to doubt any of the broad facts of that.

I would fight to the death (in fact I volunteered to do so, as a member of a NATO military force) for their right to do so. In that, good on them for standing up for their rights.

FistOfBono
Male, 18-29, Canada
 33 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 10:52:23 AM
There's a difference between being reasonable and being dickish. These guys crossed that line. You're walking cross country, and you don't think you'll get asked for ID? Hand it over, it's not a big deal. You're not going to go to jail for it. And as for a name, at that poin you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

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