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Arctic Refuge: Citizen vs. Bully Congressman

Hits: 7288 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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PTPete
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1244 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 11:12:51 PM
What a jackass.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6460 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 1:58:18 PM
You named several companies. So what? Any new technology is going to have growing pains. You know we can't drill our way into independence. If not now, when should we stop drilling and concentrate our resources on the new?
I'll tell you when. Never! There is never a good time that republicans look for change. In fact it's what "conservative" means. We "liberals" are all about change. Look it up. You'll see. You're not changing my mind. Your party will never take ANWR away from the citizens of America. Nor will you have your stupid KeystoneXL pipeline.

PS: There has never been corruption anywhere near the scale of the Iraq war. Don't make me prove it. Solyndra is nothing and what you know about it is fed to you from conservatives. You know what that means.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 11:30:20 AM
madest: I've already named several of the 119 'green energy' companies that have went bankrupt in this country in the past ten years. That record of failure and political idiots, like yourself, throwing money at them hand over fist, is the real waste.

Solyndra is Obama's watergate, he's already refused a congressional subpoena of his files on Solyndra.

Yours is the way of corruption, pipe dreams, and massive fraud/waste.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6460 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 8:52:16 AM
No our "hope" is not in drilling. It's in green energy. As you said it's years away from becoming viable. To a liberal, that means start now. To a conservative it means never get started, waste resources on old, pollution producing oil and on top of that feed these fortune 500 companies subsidies. Yours is the way of the dinosaur. Mine is the way of the future.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 8:41:28 AM
madest: Right now drilling and mining is our only hope, wasting hundreds of billions on 'Green Energy' pipe dreams is only making the situation worse. But I'm guessing you still believe failed companies like Solyndra, Evergreen Solar, SpectraWatt, Raser, Beacon Power, and many many others that have failed, are still worth investing billions of dollars of tax dollars in (So long as democrats like Obama still keep getting their campaign contribution kickbacks).

PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1337 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 7:48:55 AM
Don't waste your time with Crakrjakass, he had his brain drilled a long time a go.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6460 Posts
Monday, November 28, 2011 3:26:33 AM
@CJ, You're the type of small minded conservative who thinks the answer to our energy problems is drill baby drill.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:53:49 PM
madest: You're just the type of liberal that believes oil is evil, along with coal and nuclear power. Problem is there are 15,000 windmills that have broken down cluttering the landscape and the ones that are operating are killing endangered birds like vultures, hawks, and eagles.

So called 'Green Energy' is the real pipe dream, at least for the next 50 years or so. There is no such thing as free unsubsidized profitable energy, at least not until some major technological hurdles are met in the decades to come.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 9:39:44 PM
jtrebowski: The oil from Alaska isn't sold on the 'open world market', it is refined here in the USA and we have refineries all over the place. New Jersey, Illinois, California, Washington, Tennessee, South Dakota, Oklahoma and many other states have large refineries, oil pipelines criss-cross the nation, see picture below.



The rest of the information you posted has nothing to do with Alaskan oil. Your narrative, that we sell Alaskan oil to other nations, is simply false and I've already noted the reasons why.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6460 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 1:27:42 PM
The American people own the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Not the oil companies not the locals not Alaskans not CJ. This push to open it to drilling is most certainly another big oil pipe dream. They can spend all the money we give them in tax subsidies on lobbying congress, it simply won't ever happen because it's just not theirs.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:55:00 PM
CJ: The US doesn't own the wells. The landowners (sometimes the govt) are paid for leases and sometimes royalties for the privledge of drilling and removing oil. The oil is sold on the open market and is purchased by other companies that either own or contract to refineries around the world to turn the oil into gasoline.
In 2007, United States refineries produced over 90 percent of the gasoline used in the United States. Less than 40 percent of the crude oil used by U.S. refineries was produced in the United States. About 45 percent of gasoline produced in the United States comes from refineries in the U.S. Gulf Coast (including Texas and Louisiana).
Ok...we good? I Gotta go watch my Redskins lose. i'll be back after that.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 11:42:14 AM
jtrebowski: Exxon/Mobil, and BP drill wells all over the world moron. The oil those companies sell doesn't all come from Alaska, but what they do get from Alaska stays here in the USA.

Yes, I understand that oil is a commodity, duh, but our oil stays here, it would make no sense whatsoever for them to ship it elsewhere when their biggest customer is right here.

You make me shake my head and laugh at how incredibly dumb you just made yourself look.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:57:43 AM
"It makes no sense for us to sell our oil to other countries when the need for it here domestically outweighs any benefit in selling it abroad"

Tell that to Exxon/Mobil, BP, and other companies that drill here. The oil belongs to them. They put on the global market the the Chicago Mercantile Exchange

CJ, I know you conservatives like things nice and simple (9-9-9 plans, drill baby drill, just deport all the illegal immigrants, etc etc), but the world isn't that simple, ok?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:14:18 AM
jtrebowski: It wouldn't get us off of foreign oil. The oil we drill is sold on the global market.


Bullsh|t, the oil we drill for stays here and gets refined here. America is not a net exporter of oil you nitwit, we are a net importer of oil.

It makes no sense for us to sell our oil to other countries when the need for it here domestically outweighs any benefit in selling it abroad.

That's akin to selling the last loaf of bread in your kitchen, to your neighbor, when your own kids are starving.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 8:02:22 AM
"What is it about America drilling for it's own oil and getting off foreign oil that you liberals don't understand ?"

It wouldn't get us off of foreign oil. The oil we drill is sold on the global market. How do you propse preventing that from happening?


ShamaziaV2
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 233 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 1:50:49 AM
We can live with expensive oil, we can't live without earth.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Sunday, November 27, 2011 12:37:50 AM
Squrlz4Sale: What is it about America drilling for it's own oil and getting off foreign oil that you liberals don't understand ?

You'd rather us not develop our natural resources over protecting some small 2000 acres of flat desolate permafrost ?

The porcupine caribou herd has been growing and thriving next to Prudhoe Bay, it's not at risk at all and the mountains in the interior will remain protected. So unless you're just a hopeless ideologue, like madest, open your eyes and learn some more about it.

duffytoler
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 5220 Posts
Saturday, November 26, 2011 11:48:42 PM
Brinkley won that one. Rep. Don Young is another self important a$$hole politician.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, November 26, 2011 11:22:03 PM
@CrakrJak: What is it about the words "National," "Wildlife," and "Refuge" you and the Republicans don't understand?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Saturday, November 26, 2011 10:31:01 PM
jtrebowski: You are quoting 'world oil prices' in that report. But it seems you overlooked this:

"At estimated flow rates and using $125 per barrel price level ANWR 10-02 oil could save the nation between $125,000,000 to $187,500,000 a day for decades." in the same report, that's 10% of what we import now.

That's $45,625,000,000 a year saved to the consumer, and doesn't include the 12% tax revenue added to the federal budget or the thousands of jobs created as a result. Not to mention it helps get us off relying on foreign oil.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:01:04 PM
Ok...so we drill up there. Great. we save about $1 a barrel in 15-20 years. Read it and weep

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:06:30 PM
madest: I see that you're once again claiming victory in your ignorance.

I posted REAL PICTURES of what the north slope area, in debate, actually looks like. It's barren flat permafrost and nothing else. The caribou are thriving in Prudhoe Bay, The Alaska Legislature passed a resolution supporting drilling in ANWR 60 to 0, the Inuipat natives of Kaktovik support drilling there and it's their native land.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6460 Posts
Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:34:32 PM
Picture shmicture. You took two comments mixed them in with a picture and posted a link to a pro-drilling website that proves nothing about what the locals want. You have been defeated here. Time for you to take it like a man and slink away in disgrace.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:27:32 PM
madest: I was directly responding to Squrlz4Sale's picture. I've actually attempted to show the reality of what is there and the facts of the issue.

Apparently madest you're too entrenched in your ideology to actually realize those facts, and must discredit me, by any means necessary, even if it makes you look like a first rate fool in the process.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6460 Posts
Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:04:41 PM
This debate isn't about allowing drilling into mountains. Is this another republican tactic you've picked up from FoxNews to muddy the argument with unrelated, utter nonsense?

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