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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 2337 Posts
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Monday, November 28, 2011 6:28:00 AM
patchgrabber-"If corporations are people, then who goes to jail when they break the law or their practices kill people?"
The person(s) within the corporation who broke the law or who put the practices into place and carried them out.
Example: I ship hazardous materials for my corporation. If I ship something hazardous, but represent it as non-hazardous, and someone gets hurt/killed, who is held responsible? (for real word example, google 'ValuJet Flight 592', where inproperly packaged and stored hazardous materials caused the death of 110 people)
Did the corporation (i.e. every single worker/manager/owner) break the law? No.
Who will go to jail? Me, as the person who presented it an non-hazardous. Also probably anyone who was supposed to double-check me. OSHA will also slap a huge fine on the company.
For the most part, the system works. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5283 Posts
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Friday, November 25, 2011 8:13:12 AM
MeGrendel: If corporations are people, then who goes to jail when they break the law or their practices kill people? |
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 Draculya
Male, 30-39, Asia
6328 Posts
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Friday, November 25, 2011 7:14:15 AM
He has a real point there.
At the same time, the professional middle classes, let's call them "The 33%", they can leave pretty much anytime they want.
Many have and many more will. That'll leave the top 1% to feed off the bottom 63%, until that is they get fed up and go all Morlock vs Eloi on their masters. |
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 randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
774 Posts
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Friday, November 25, 2011 5:27:37 AM
Crabes
We have to a large degree lost our freedom of speech, despite our own constitution. The US concept is important for two reasons. The first is as an archetype, a true freedom to which we can point our government and say "look, that is freedom of speech!". The second is that speech is now global. I can write and host in America, and be protected against prior restraint by the US constitution. That feeds back to my first point, putting pressure on our government and on the dying bureaucracy of he EU. |
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 Crabes
Male, 30-39, Canada
930 Posts
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Friday, November 25, 2011 4:51:47 AM
its surprising that non-american people care and know so much about american politic more then their own. just saying |
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randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
774 Posts
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Friday, November 25, 2011 4:10:29 AM
This man is an idiot.
For a start he has clearly never read the constitution. The first amendment clause for free speech does not mention "people"; it restricts Congress from making laws against free speech. It doesn't say that the people exercising the free speech have to be representing their own views. It doesn't say that corporations cannot sponsor that speech. In fact the same clause allow freedom of the press, so by Reich is implying that corporations should not have freedom of the press, which suggests he is really, really dumb. In fact another subclause of the same clause guarantees freedom of the press, so Reich is implying that corporations should not have freedom of the press, which suggests he is really, really dumb.
When real people assembled to express their dissatisfaction they were in fact indulged. They were allowed to break laws and regulations, and to trespass on private property. They were allowed to take away facilities from other peop |
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 AGit
Male, 30-39, Europe
641 Posts
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Friday, November 25, 2011 3:27:59 AM
Quite right, and I liked how he said: Weeeeee |
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 OldOllie
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
8742 Posts
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Thursday, November 24, 2011 8:09:46 PM
Reich is a fapping idiot. |
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 PacoP42
Male, 13-17, Western US
1081 Posts
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Thursday, November 24, 2011 7:44:47 PM
looks like an older version of the wikipedia founder |
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junkaroo
Male, 30-39, Australia
226 Posts
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Thursday, November 24, 2011 6:02:37 PM
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2337 Posts
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Thursday, November 24, 2011 5:26:23 PM
Corporations have ALWAYS been considered people. The Supreme Court just reiterated common regulations.
In the parlance of Federal Regulations, a 'Person' is defined as: 'an individual, corporation, company, association, firm, partnership, society, joint stock company; or a government, Indian tribe, or authority of a government or tribe...', and has been for decadeds.
And why is it that when they show the 'ebil rich', it's always the Koch Brothers, but not Soros?
And his definition of 'nuisance' demonstrates his bias and has no basis on reality.
"All WE have is our ability to peacefully assemble." I have not problem when you peacefully assemble. It's when you're violent, a hazard, and (dare I say it) a 'nuisance'.
Not to mention the source: MoveOn.com....nuff said. |
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Crabes
Male, 30-39, Canada
930 Posts
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Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:45:09 PM
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mcboozerilla
Male, 30-39, Europe
649 Posts
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Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:39:07 PM
The police violence against the protesters is really shameful. |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16968 Posts
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Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:13:39 PM
Somehow I'm guessing this dude HATES the Tea Party...
Unlimited money? Naw, after a trillion or two they'll run out of cash... jeez what a lunkhead!
Finally: Lets all go occupy Robert's house! C'mon IABers, free room & board at the Reich place! |
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 LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
10503 Posts
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Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:12:20 PM
Almighty lazyme approves of this man's message. |
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 kitteh9lives
Female, 40-49, Eastern US
978 Posts
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Thursday, November 24, 2011 10:58:32 AM
Link: How Do You Define Free Speech? [Rate Link] - Just what is the 'real' public nuisance? |
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