 mal_BB
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1223 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 12:14:20 PM
I'd like to see the build up to this to see exactly what he did to deserve pepper spraying. Stopping traffic? really? What are OWS meant to do? go to a place where they wont get in anyones way or be noticed? That sort of defies the point of a protest. Oh and to everyone saying OWS are nothing like the Egyptian protests they are actually pretty similar. I sat down with an Egyptian bloke while I lived there for 3 months, and talked about politics and economics. Turns out we actually have a lot in common... |
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 HtF
Female, 18-29, Western US
53 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:52:18 AM
@Student_Law: All those things require permits.
Your latest vacuous argument has been voided, next please. |
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 Student_Law
Male, 30-39, Europe
966 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:38:55 AM
@kimrn: you are clearly drunk. Or can't find your way around the keyboard...idk. Do more research 
@Victim: sorry mate, it's not that simple. Actually there are many sorts of ways to avoid traffic law, in these contexts - parades, private entrepreneurs (while building) and emergencies in general can help you void them.
As a matter of fact, in very few situations, the right to obstruct traffic are constitutional and hereby even more protected. Guess what |
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 Lameworld
Male, 18-29, Western US
51 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:28:39 AM
@Ruffiana thank you |
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 Ruffiana
Male, 30-39, Western US
508 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:24:02 AM
Not that I believe any of these people needed to be pepper-sprayed, maced, beat with nightsticks, or shot with bean-bags...but these are all non-lethal things.
Meanwhile, in other parts of world people are literally being killed for standing up and speaking out.
Let's keep a semblance of perspective here. I too want to see these officers investigated for excessive force, but comparing this to what happened in Egypt or Lybia is an insult. |
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 last1in
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
261 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:22:53 AM
I don't see any violence in that pic. No blood, no bruising, no GSW, all good... |
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 Victim
Male, 70 & Over, Africa
220 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:21:34 AM
Protesting often requires traffic disturbance etc., and it's also legal; considering the fact that constitutional rights are above (lex superior) traffic law. Simple as that :)
lol no, you break a law you go to jail/get a ticket
simple as that |
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 Kimrn89
Male, 18-29, Europe
67 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:12:00 AM
Student_law: How many post's do you have? =0
poo ass! |
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MCMXCIII
Male, 18-29, Asia
354 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:10:30 AM
It seems like M_Archer did not follow the Egyptian protest at all. If throwing rocks qualifies as "peaceful", then the OWS protesters must be saints. |
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 Edgarska19
Male, 18-29, Western US
1048 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:07:30 AM
the difference is that the protestors in Egypt had a reason to protest. |
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 Tekinette
Male, 18-29, Europe
255 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:06:36 AM
We live in a society that promotes greed, the good of a country doesn't exist, it's the good of one's self that matters. And those with the most money get the most power, they get to influence the making of the rules, rules that will of course benefit their greed and detriment others.
People protest this downfall of society and there's still people cheering for the cops arresting them which is just showing how far this society of greed and selfishness has come to. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25693 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:05:07 AM
I see butt crack!
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MCMXCIII
Male, 18-29, Asia
354 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 11:04:44 AM
double standards, double standards everywhere |
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Student_Law
Male, 30-39, Europe
966 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:53:17 AM
M_Archer: Protesting often requires traffic disturbance etc., and it's also legal; considering the fact that constitutional rights are above (lex superior) traffic law. Simple as that So your argument is invalid. You are not the only one who point at the difference in reality regarding Egypt/USA. Now in a manner it's a good point - but the right to protest, and especially the right to criticize the government enjoys strong protection in all free nations.
Now, the polices' use of force is also illegal, and definitely not necessary. I have yet to see a protester represent a threat that can excuse violence from the authorities. Most of them are sitting on their street or walking on their streets while being sprayed.
The saddest thing however, is when people are apologetic about violence towards their fellow citizens. One thing is to disagree politically. But not to condone violence against your opponents.. it's just low... |
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 LoofahBoy
Male, 18-29, Western US
3481 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:49:46 AM
I was wondering this myself. |
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arimus
Male, 13-17, Western US
31 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:45:52 AM
@M Archer
Cause sitting down and linking arms on a sidewalk is such a threatening posture that deserves the use of pepper spray. Have you been hit with pepper spray? It f**king hurts! |
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 Viking864
Male, 40-49, Southern US
817 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:43:46 AM
Ok, so 1,000's have died protesting in Egypt and Syria, but good god they scratched this man's IPad and made him spill his $5 Latte! |
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HtF
Female, 18-29, Western US
53 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:33:05 AM
A) The OWS people haven't always exactly been 'peaceful'
B) Pepper spray and tear gas and picking up and carrying aren't exactly violence on the same scale as the violence done to the Egyptian protesters.
C) It's a little disingenuous to equate a bunch of angry upper-middle-class white college graduates getting mad because the police got pepper spray on their powerbooks while they were blocking a street and harassing passers-by with the struggle and violence of the Egyptian people. |
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tatervent
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
375 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:31:35 AM
Obama controls all U.S. police departments apparently... This is dumb. |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16989 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:29:49 AM
Last couple of nights there were 20 killed and 1000+ injured in Egypt.
3500 killed this year in Syria (says the UN).
The OWS sissies can't hold a candle to real protest, they're fakes and phonies.
Perhaps Obama will ask for NATO airstrikes on Ney York City? Naw, no oil there... |
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 M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
529 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:27:20 AM
...is used.
The OWS cops are simply using force to respond to force being initiated by the protesters i.e. they're using force appropriately. |
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M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
529 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:26:35 AM
Keyword: PEACEFUL protesters.
There's nothing peaceful about forcibly blocking traffic or vandalizing streets.
Also, you cannot divorce a point from a context and expect it to remain the same. Case in point: Egypt was an Islamic dictatorship with oppressive Sharia law and the protesters were fighting for freedom. The OWS protesters don't want a smaller government that respects the rights of all; they want a bigger government with more controls.
There's such thing as a good protest (Egypt) and a bad protest (OWS). This is an irrelevant point, really as just because the Egypt protest was good doesn't mean OWS is good.
Why was no one complaining when the neo-Nazi protest in Illinois was broken up by the police? I bet the people who said "good riddance" when the Nazis were arrested are the same people who cheered on the tree-huggers for blocking streets.
TL;DR: Protests are fine, until vandalism, blocking traffic or any kind of force i |
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 simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
396 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:17:05 AM
It's a fair point, but...
In Egypt, law enforcement is actually controlled by the Ministry of the Interior - in other words, at the federal level.
The issues people are having with the police regarding OWS are seemingly with local law enforecement. There have been accusations that the DHS coordinated the crackdown last week, but I haven't read further to know whether this is actually the case. If it is, the statement pointing out hypocrisy made in the post is justified IMO. |
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junkaroo
Male, 30-39, Australia
226 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:14:34 AM
**Except here.
I think someone cropped that fine print out. ;) |
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 littlemissqt
Female, 18-29, Western US
122 Posts
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Monday, November 21, 2011 10:07:53 AM
Link: Obama On America And Protesters [Pic] [Rate Link] - We haven't heard much from Obama about the country-wide Occupy Wall Street protests, have we? It's your watch, Barry. |
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