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Climate Change: Man-Made or Natural?

Hits: 8032 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: Science | Added by: davymid
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Wednesday, November 09, 2011 1:05:12 AM
Tetragramma: Ya right, that's why everyone owns their own cow, NOT.

So called 'Green Energy' isn't profitable on it's own, it's heavily subsidized by the government and that's the only reason it exists right now. Make it practical and profitable, without subsidies, and there won't be a problem.

Even then, 'Climate Change' is not anthropogenic (caused by human activity) and recent discoveries at CERN have proved that the sun has a much larger role in regulating our climate then was originally theorized. Link

Tetragramma
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 65 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2011 5:12:23 PM
Green energy is good for an economy- transporting and making things requires energy, which would be less expensive if there was a continuous supply (solar, wind, thermal) rather than an increasingly more expensive commodity (oil). Opposing green energy for economic reasons is like saying that milk is cheap enough to not justify buying a cow when the cow is cheaper in the long run.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2011 2:20:09 PM
patchgrabber: I don't have a problem with researching clean energy, I have a problem with it being forced down our throats at the cost of our economy.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5718 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2011 8:24:26 AM
" The environmental movement wants to end all use of 'fossil fuel' by any and all means necessary. They aren't afraid to lie, cheat, and steal tax money (in the form of grants) to meet that goal."

So your proposal is to do what exactly? Not research renewable energy and keep using fossil fuels until their price skyrockets and then we run out with nothing to fall back on? Typical right wing thinking, can't see more than five feet in front of them.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Monday, November 07, 2011 2:13:19 AM
skine: 200 years is a large amount of time, but if the graph had included even earlier temperatures, like the medieval warm period, you would see that the earth has been much warmer and much cooler than it is now, It's cyclical. Now it's leveling off and perhaps perhaps about to cool off again.

Gerry: As to your question as to why ? The quick answer is money, but it goes beyond that. The environmental movement wants to end all use of 'fossil fuel' by any and all means necessary. They aren't afraid to lie, cheat, and steal tax money (in the form of grants) to meet that goal.

Scaremongering 'global warming' is worth billions of dollars in investments to 'green energy' companies, like Solyndra that just went bankrupt, without the scare even more will go bankrupt because they can't be profitable otherwise.

skine
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 724 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:49:04 PM
Crackr: You posted two graphs. The first shows temperatures rising relatively steadily between 1800 and 2000. The second shows temperatures remaining roughly the same between 2001 and 2010.

So what your graph actually shows is that temperatures have been rising steadily between 1800 and 2010.

This would seem to be at odds with you stating that the Earth is not warming.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:49:22 PM
Climate change is the result of the global warming which is produced because of the core of the Earth is warming up, not because of the silly primates that goes by the name of Humans

The core of the earth is warming up? F*ck me gently, that's even more retarded than anything Crckrjak says, if such a thing were possible.

Look, there comes a point where you have to listen to the professional scientists. Yeah, those guys.

Angelmassb
Male, 18-29, S. America
 15498 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 4:54:30 PM
Climate change is the result of the global warming which is produced because of the core of the Earth is warming up, not because of the silly primates that goes by the name of Humans

botfly
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 616 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 3:56:50 PM
All about money, nothing more.

Hiem
Male, 18-29, Western US
 4 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 3:11:19 PM
@CrakrJak Then put those events on as part of the average and see what the data says. Don't leave out periods of time "just because" to better prove your argument. Also, the "little ice age" was a period of mild cooling that occurred after the "medieval warm period" so if the two were also included in the time range, it wouldn't change the mean much.

Also please don't confuse isolated areas of geographic cooling due to an overall increase in global mean temps. It is predicted if global warming continues so that the ocean temps increase enough so that the gulf stream stops, most of Europe's climate would cool due to the lack of heat that normally comes through the gulf stream. In this instance, global warming (increase in global temps that change ocean temperatures) would cause localized cooling (climate change in Europe).

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6461 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 12:00:04 PM
Well Rick Perry explained it like any drunken red-neck would. It's a love for government grant money don't ya know Gerry1of1? That explains everything to a simpleton.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:48:52 AM

Question for the Floor.

If in fact Global Warming is a conspiracy, I ask "why?"
Why should scientists around the world independantly lie about study after study and years of documented research? What would it benefit them as compared to the risk of being exposed?

Motive for a conspiracy?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11515 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:29:05 AM
Actually, there's a movement of scientists that are saying the whole warming thing is real, but it would be happening even if we weren't here. Their view is that the Earth has an ambient temperature of around 110 F but was cooled after the ice age...so, we're just slowly climbing back to our ambient temperature. The view is still fairly frowned upon, but is gaining acceptance.


That is an extraordinary claim. You haven't provided any evidence, let alone extraordinary evidence, so at present your claim is bull.

Anyone can make any claims about anything. For example:

There's a movement of wildebeest that meet every second Friday of the month to discuss ancient Greek poetry. It's a secret movement, but knowledge of it is spreading.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:26:30 AM
Hiem: Pre-1950s we went through times of cooling, ever hear of 'the little ice age' ? or the blizzards of the 1810s and 1830s ?

Climate has to be looked at in context, and that context is often skewed by researchers looking to make a buck off government grants.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17183 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:12:49 AM
LazyMe: IT came from 'BEST's own data, compiled by the global warming policy institute.

If you had cared to look closely at the graph you'd know that already.

Wowummwow
Male, 18-29, Western US
 266 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:59:02 AM
@CrakrJak

OMG you're like totally right. The US has snow already this year, so much for global warming. I mean we all know that we should look at short term graphs for changes in the climate.


skine
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 724 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:39:10 AM
"we are not actually adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere in almost all cases, we are only adding a carbon atom to the oxygen molecule that is already in the atmosphere"

I have the feeling that you don't understand what the words you just wrote actually mean.

blackcatseye
Female, 30-39, Europe
 656 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:08:11 AM
Why is it Florida? Ummm......NASA, anyone? DUH. Plus all that air conditioning.

Hiem
Male, 18-29, Western US
 4 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:59:51 AM
@CrakrJak I made an account just to point out the stupidity in those graphs you put up.

The top graph shows a time range from 1800 to 2000+, while the lower graph only shows 2001-2010 data. If the lower graph was to be set from 1800 data as well, the trend line would not look like that. In fact the lower graph shows that since the 1950-1980 average, mean global temps have gone UP 0.75C. That image you posted was meant to distract people who don't know how to read graphs.

Also why would they pick average temps of 1950-1980 as the Y axis unless they were trying to make others look poorly? If you are going to use a baseline for a temp chart, either use a baseline that is the average temperatures pre-industrial revolution (heavy CO2 emissions begins) or average global temperatures since the dawn of time (data from ice core samples). Either way that image is poorly constructed with the purpose to mislead.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6461 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 7:38:58 AM
Actually, there's a movement of scientists that are saying the whole warming thing is real, but it would be happening even if we weren't here.
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Really? Are they real scientists or are they republicans?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 6:48:13 AM

So many theories.
It could be man made.
It coudl be natural cycle.
It could be man made AND nature combined.

I think it's combination of Rick Parry and Bill O'Rilley outgassing.


Uthrax
Male, 30-39, Australia
 78 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 6:44:51 AM
Can I point out that we are not actually adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere in almost all cases, we are only adding a carbon atom to the oxygen molecule that is already in the atmosphere and is already a significant greenhouse gas. this means there needs to be a huge reduction in the expected heating effect from carbon dioxide.

chance13
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 221 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 5:18:00 AM
Actually, there's a movement of scientists that are saying the whole warming thing is real, but it would be happening even if we weren't here. Their view is that the Earth has an ambient temperature of around 110 F but was cooled after the ice age...so, we're just slowly climbing back to our ambient temperature. The view is still fairly frowned upon, but is gaining acceptance.

botfly
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 616 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 4:51:37 AM
That's good, when you don't have a valid argument. just fall back on a personal attack.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6461 Posts
Sunday, November 06, 2011 4:29:17 AM
The fact is CrakrJak is not a climate scientist he's a redneck on disability. If he were he were a climate scientist he would agree with the science.

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