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Follow Up On Judge Beats Daughter

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Brassbull
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 1608 Posts
Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:12:12 AM
Leather straps come in all different varieties, like I said before, depending on their purpose. There's no reason for anyone to bring up images of slavery or medieval times after hearing the term. You're being paranoid Crakrjak.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:09:20 AM

CrakrJak's into leather.

I KNEW IT!

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16949 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 8:30:31 PM
...and please don't debate me further about leather, I worked in a shoe & leather repair shop for over two years, I'm an expert on the topic.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16949 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 8:26:42 PM
Brassbull: You're still still stuck on the buckle.

:Facepalm:

Evidently you've never examined the differences in between a regular leather belt and a regular leather strap. leather straps are thicker, stiffer, and heavier and if you had ever been hit by one, compared with a belt, you'd notice the difference immediately.

So yes, the words 'leather strap' were definitely chosen to exaggerate the circumstances of the video.

This is not unlike the liberal media saying that someone was shot with a semi-automatic weapon, when damn near every non-single-shot gun is considered 'semi-automatic', Why you may ask ?

Because of the connotation 'automatic' has in people's minds to machine guns and sub-machine guns. If you say 'semi-automatic' to someone that isn't educated about guns and they immediately think of the machine guns they've seen in the movies. A 6 shot revolver can be exaggerated with the words 'semi-automatic' to sound more menacing.

Brassbull
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 1608 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 4:15:38 PM
Crakrjak
You came back to the point I originally made. Awesome. Thought I comepletely lost you there for a while.

I see no reason for anyone to make a connection between the term leather strap and slavery or medieval torture, or with anything in particular because leather straps have a pretty wide variety of uses. Saying the term was chosen by liberals for it's propaganda value is being a bit paranoid imo.

And again, even if I were a slave in the 1800's and my master gave me a choice between being beaten with a leather strap and a belt, I'd go with just the leather strap because it doesn't have a big hunk of metal on the end of it.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16949 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 1:39:24 PM
Brassbull: You stated that a 'belt was worse' because of the buckle and that that metal would hurt more than leather alone.

Therefore you were saying that that belt would hurt more because of the buckle.

He didn't hit her with the buckle, but I'm assuming that you thought he did.

I'm saying that a leather strap sounds more ominous, especially since slave owners, back in the 1800s, used to beat their slaves with leather straps that would leave scars.

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 9:54:26 AM
CRACKR AND BAALTH ARE GUNNA FIGHT IN THE PLAYGROUND AFTER LUNCH!!!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 8:29:24 AM

For releasing the video to the pubic and airing family business publicly, I want to hit her with a belt a few times.

chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 679 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 8:04:05 AM
I don't think the spanking was abuse, but it was definitely inappropriate behavior for the situation that was presented. If all she did was download music illegally it was way overboard, however, if she had been warned not to, and told what would happen before she did it and did it anyway...well that changes the flavor of the dish a bit. I don't think it was abuse, and there are some situations where that kind of punishment is definitely merited, but as presented this case does not appear as one. I would really like to see the events leading up to that situation, and the frequency with which it occurred(she had a camera set up so one must imagine that it hapened
often enough for her to know she could bait them into doing it). It would take a lot for me to want to punish a child in this manner, also, you should never hit a child when you are still angry. Send them to their room and cool off first.

Brassbull
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 1608 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 7:52:36 AM
Didn't say 'anything' about getting hit with the metal buckle ?


I never said anything about him hitting her with the buckle.


Can you point out the difference between your quote and mine?

Take your time, Crakrjak, it'll come to you.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16949 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 7:30:57 AM
Brassbull: @Craksjak - The term 'belt' is worse than 'leather strap', as leather straps don't typically have metal buckles. If they did they wouldn't be leather straps, they'd be belts.

I'd rather be hit with a leather strap than a belt. Leather with metal attached to it hurts more than just leather alone.



Didn't say 'anything' about getting hit with the metal buckle ? Maybe you need to re-read your own stuff.

Brassbull
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 1608 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 7:25:24 AM
Brassbull: He didn't hit her with the buckle, he folded it in half, which means the middle of the belt, which is all leather, is what struck her.


I never said anything about him hitting her with the buckle. My comment was in response to your claim that the term 'leather strap.....you know what, just go read it again. I explained it well enough the first time.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16949 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 6:24:32 AM
Baal: I've already debated you on here on many occasions, why would I want to do a live debate, what would be gained from that ?

Were we keeping score ? If so so how ? You can claim a win even if you loose (That happens in presidential debates all the time).

You're a comedian, You're used to public speaking in front of a live audience, you've likely even dealt with hecklers as well, I'm sure.

I'll concede that you are likely a better live orator than I, So what ? Does that make your ideas better ? Does that make you right ? No, on both counts. Hitler was a great orator, it was said he could make people weep or cheer virtually on command, that doesn't mean he wasn't wrong in nearly every way possible.

Now please go pester and whine at someone else.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 6:02:24 AM
I'd pound her ass in a good way :-p

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 4:08:24 AM
I heard the guy whose bright idea was to ban spanking, his own son committed suicide. So were taking advice from a real winner. Nothing wrong with good old discipline when it's done right, the issue lays with the folks who abuse it and ruin it for the rest of us.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 2:06:22 AM
Crakr:
Incidentally, calling me a bully getting you to throw "the first punch"...

Yes. A challenge to a formal debate is exactly the tactics of a bully.

Christ Crakr, "This generation is a bunch of pansies". Self referential much?

I'll go first or second.
I can pick the topic for you if you prefer.
I can choose the location and style rather than you.

We can swap this around and I'll happily take all the advantages I offered you.

My *only* concern was that you'd use it as an excuse later.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Friday, November 04, 2011 1:53:55 AM
I want my formal debate Crakr. I've given you the choice of subjects from politics, economics, religion.

I've given you several ways to put your money where your mouth is. I've given you challenges that if you could succeed at, would cause me to drop given topics permanently.

I don't mind you being wrong.
It's indefensible, when you know you can't defend the things you say, you know you'd lose the debate, you know you don't have the facts, and you repeat, often disgusting, hatemongering, violence promoting, poverty creating speech, as a 40-50 year old in a room of 13-29 year olds.

There's an easy way to shut me up.
You've never decided you were "above it" until I decided we should keep score.

trig45
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 71 Posts
Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:46:40 PM
gerry... i think you just may be the most sane and rational person on here.

ScissorFox
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 96 Posts
Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:14:32 PM
Wow, good for her! And she is absolutely beautiful!

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16949 Posts
Thursday, November 03, 2011 11:00:09 PM
Brassbull: He didn't hit her with the buckle, he folded it in half, which means the middle of the belt, which is all leather, is what struck her.

PierreJean: I was never hit in the head, but I have suspicions that your parents dropped you on your head.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16949 Posts
Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:19:26 PM
Baal: Your taunts and chides only frame you as being childish. Your no better than a school bully calling another kid chicken, for not throwing the first punch.

Get a life loser.

rdoyle
Female, 18-29, Western US
 21 Posts
Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:52:06 PM
Johanna, johanna, I cannot keep you longer....

Solarmew
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 119 Posts
Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:24:00 PM
BenTheBug, well, maybe they don't see "being a grown women" and "acting as a child" mutually exclusive ...

BenTheBug
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 1155 Posts
Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:20:55 PM
Solarmew: BenTheBug, that actually implies exactly what i kept telling you. They see her as a child and are trying to tell her to grow up. Part of that includes accepting the consequences and the other part is learning not to get yourself in that situation in the future.


"Take it as a grown woman" does not indicate that they wouldn't be beating her if they saw her as a grown woman.

Solarmew
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 119 Posts
Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:17:08 PM
BenTheBug, that actually implies exactly what i kept telling you. They see her as a child and are trying to tell her to grow up. Part of that includes accepting the consequences and the other part is learning not to get yourself in that situation in the future.

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