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Bad Teacher Or Bad Policy?

Hits: 11260 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Gerry1of1
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Male, 30-39, Canada
 660 Posts
Monday, October 17, 2011 12:13:14 PM
"Yes, freedom of speech means that you have the right to express your opinions.
However, it doesn't absolve you of the consequences." (Well said Skine)

I think this sums it up perfectly. As a role model, which teachers are, they are held to a higher standard due to the influence they can have on a developing mind.

It was discussed on Facebook without any privacy filters, so there can be no reasonable expectation of privacy and is not at all different from speaking those words in public. Any of her students had the potential to access her opinions and been affected by them. Thus her personal opinions entered the classroom.

Male, 40-49, Southern US
 399 Posts
Monday, October 17, 2011 6:30:55 AM
To all who feel this teacher is justified, I recommend that you read the article, but replace every reference to gay or homosexual, with the word "Black" or "Asian", and then consider you answer.

The truth is that you can use the Bible as an excuse to hate anyone. Just because she claims a religious justification does not make it right, or even understandable.

She has a right to believe what she wants. However, that does not mean she has a right to be a teacher.

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 481 Posts
Monday, October 17, 2011 6:09:26 AM
u mad bro?

Male, 18-29, Southern US
 4799 Posts
Monday, October 17, 2011 2:29:31 AM
"The sin is hated not the person(s)."

Can't recall the last time I heard a "Christian" tell someone that their sin was going to burn in hell for eternity.

Female, 50-59, Europe
 6319 Posts
Monday, October 17, 2011 12:00:42 AM
It is not hypocrasy to feel that a teacher should not express her private relgious views on a public forum. Lets look at a male teacher who states on facebook that women should be submissive and are here to serve men, he then says he will object to the fact that girls are on the university posters dotted around. If you are vile enough to believe there is anything nasty about gays, or women, then fine--- you are entitled to your belief. But in your position you should keep those views to yourself- if you cannot do that then you should choose another profession. BTW- comments like 'hate the sin' ignorant........ gay is as much part of who someone is as their arm

Male, 40-49, Western US
 3785 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:26:08 PM
"Sin is sin and comes in many forms. The sin is hated not the person(s)."

I was born gay. Calling something I had absolutely no choice in a sin and something you hate really pisses me off. I'm not sure who taught you to express bigotry in public but it is very un-Christ like.

Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 528 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:46:21 PM
I don't know, but I see a LOT of irony and hypocrisy here. We are not tolerated if we are not tolerant. Others have the right to say what they want, but should someone voice an opinion against it, then they are a (insert name here)-phobe and should be fired from their position.

There was a time not very long ago that saying you were gay got you fired from your job and alienated from your friends and family. Now, saying you're against homosexuality seems to net the same punishment. It is interesting to me how, now that the shoe is on the other foot, those previously discriminated against are only more than happy to hold the new witch hunts.

Female, 18-29, Southern US
 399 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:22:06 PM
Seriously? Every time anyone doesn't like ANYTHING, they compare it to Nazi Germany.

Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 408 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:13:32 PM
If people are allowed to have awareness days then people are also allowed to voice their opinion of it on a personal networking site. Sin is sin and comes in many forms. The sin is hated not the person(s).

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 724 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:37:56 PM
"Christians are no longer allowed to hold governmental positions if they voice their beliefs."

Not true at all.

Most Christians ignore the vast majority of the rules listed in the Bible. Usually, they justify this by saying "but that was in the OLD testament."

Male, 30-39, Europe
 1279 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:38:05 PM
"Bad Teacher Or Bad Policy?"

Errrrmmmmm does anyone seriously argue against it being "both"?

Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:06:57 PM
Lets be honest with each other about what this means. Christians are no longer allowed to hold governmental positions if they voice their beliefs.

Now I personally am anti-clerical and a proud atheist, but is this really the way America wants to go? Remember, one of the first things prohibited to Jews in Nazi Germany was the ability to teach...

Male, 18-29, Australia
 991 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 2:20:31 PM
As much as I hate her view, I do believe she is entitled to it.
But on another note

Female, 50-59, Europe
 6319 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:12:06 PM
honkeylips, most history is old white hetero guys, written by them and for them, so LBGTs and blacks and women etc are just trying to level things up a bit.

Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1570 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:04:12 AM
Why does everyone get their own history month? I want an old, white, hetero guy history month. I am asking for this because we're the only people left on Earth that you can make fun of and not get in trouble. I think it's because we just don't give an eff.

Female, 50-59, Europe
 6319 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:57:05 AM
she is entitled to her views- abhorent as they might be to any decent person - she is entitled to express those views as long as she does not incite violence against those she berates. However- for her to do this on a public Facebook page is not appropriate behaviour for a teacher. It is for her lack of judgement that she should lose her job- as a teacher she should excercise good judgement. I have to say I question the wisdom of employing someone with those beliefs in a school though- but, as long as she kept it quiet.

Male, 40-49, Western US
 3785 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:38:29 AM
"I want a straight month"

What rights do straight people need to fight for? There are 7 countries in the world where a gay person can be put to death just for having sex. In America same-sex sexual activity was illegal nation wide until 2003. 2003! In the world every day gays are harassed, beaten or murdered just because of what they are. Again I ask what rights do straight people need to fight for?

Male, 18-29, Southern US
 101 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 9:29:32 AM
jtrebowski,Yeah I would it's her private life most teachers I know get drunk or do other inappropate stuff in their free time. As long as they don't come to school strung out on drugs I don't really care.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4235 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:53:20 AM
Gerry1of1: I salute you. I too believe in the freedom of speech in your private life. So long as she isn't allowing bullying to go on, and doing her job; she can say whatever she likes, no matter how wrong I feel it is.

Female, 30-39, Europe
 64 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:14:48 AM
*anyone can hear it, and report it.

Female, 30-39, Europe
 64 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:12:55 AM
There is a difference between public face and private face. It doesn't make it clear whether the posts were meant to be public, but the article does refer to it being take down from public view. That could mean that it was removed by facebook, or that it was set to a friends/friends of friends setting etc.

If you publically can get on with life as it is now, and as a teacher, don't teach hate regarding anything that goes against the "bible" and current religous thinking, then you should be fine to teach students, whether or not you're posting privately about these views.

This is where most people fall foul of social media. IF it's public so that other teachers, pupils, or the general public can read it, you take the responsibility and the concequences too.

Learn to keep life outside your job properly private and you shouldn't have problems. It's the same as bitching about pupils in the staff room, cept now its on a recorded format, and anyone can he

Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3262 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:01:01 AM
For all of you defending her saying it's her right to post this stuff w/o consequences, would you feel the same way if she posted a public pic of herself passed out on a bar, or smoking a joint? As a teacher, she should be held to a higher standard than "Joe the plumber" who doesn't have daily contact with children.

Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:15:24 AM
@Gerry1of1: If it's part of your terms of employment that you can't post things like that on facebook, then the employer has every right to fire the employee.

Male, 13-17, Europe
 231 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 6:38:14 AM
I want a straight month

Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:50:21 AM
Time for her to go.

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