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Sam Harris' Views On Going To Heaven/Hell

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xCYBERDYNEx
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 4799 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:07:08 PM
Sh*t! Heureux went hardcore on the stupidity today.

Fleaman1797
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 719 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:50:20 PM
@davymid so are you saying if your a Racist or a Sexist your somehow the scum of the earth? EVERYONE is racist. i dont care if you think you are or not you are. you may have not yet come to grips with it but you are. if not just a TINY TINY BIT. and even if you claim you are not, you still MUST claim you was in at least one PART or TIME of your life. i could care less that somebody was banned today for standing up for their beliefs (even though the mods on I-A-B do it constantly by posting anti-Christian bullpoo CONSTANTLY) every time i come to this site and something is new you are GUARANTEED to see some Pro Atheist Statements, Jokes, Comics, ect ect ect. yet the one guy who turns it around saying (no the Atheists are the biggots) gets banned? if you ask me I-A-B Trolls CHRISTIANS EVERY SINGLE DAY! dont get me wrong i dont really give a crap about Christians since im not one, but Fair is Fair is it not?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10116 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:25:13 PM
Whilst I admire Heureux's unrelenting chastising of "homo-averse" christians like CrakrJak, I find his equally unrelenting, and unfounded, condemnation of all atheists saddening.

Aragnarok
Male, 30-39, Canada
 45 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55:57 PM
The only thing these debates highlight is the similarities between atheists and traditional religionists, which is arguments based upon ignorance, denial and hypocrisy. Everyone wants the definitive back of the book answers due to our inherent sense of entitlement, yet hardly anyone ever qualifies for them.

Brassbull
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 1608 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:33:30 AM
My spirituality comes from the energy of this earth and the collective consciousness around me.


Very nicely put.

gbrzeatetee
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 174 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:44:48 AM
Was that video edited to make him say "okay" 71 times?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:41:14 AM
And while I find the notion of sensus fidelium interesting, I don't see how it can override scripture. I trust law makers to make the law, and I can't just have my own interpretation of it and follow that without going against the established rules of the authority. I can argue my interpretations to them, but it is ultimately their decision whether my interpretation is valid or not. I think Matthew 16:19 clearly demonstrates that the official position of the church is the official position of God and heaven.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:35:56 AM
Queenzira: Since there are somewhere around 38,000 reported denominations of christianity (which I believe concisely demonstrates the hypocracy of the religion) I cannot speak for all of them, obviously, so I chose catholicism, which is the major christian denomination and the prevailing doctrine regarding christianity in the world follows their lead. Since they are the majority of christians, their ideologies are considered more relevant than that of some minor splinter group. And Auburn your comment is rhetorical nonsense, it's the only pope that's around right now.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10226 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55:04 AM
<blush>

_Verbatim_
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 161 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:48:02 AM
No homo... but I love this man... an intellectual power house... I LOVE it!

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10226 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:46:30 AM
I am always wary of infinity. Infinity is the ultimate trump card. "You will go to hell (infinite suffering) for ever (multiplied by infinity)." is such a statement. Infinity is the cornerstone of extremism.

That is why many atheists have traces of agnosticism. Belief in the absence of gods is not necessarily absolute, but the chance that we are wrong is vanishingly small. Say the same as the earth abruptly changing direction or gravity reversing.

FWIW, I am suspicious of singularities too (dividing by zero is another flavour of infinity), and suspect the 'big bang' will prove to be something other than a pure singularity.

If my lack of absolutes delights the religious, remember that it is the cornerstone of rational science.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10226 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:40:38 AM
Atheism isn't a religion, it's the default. We are all born atheists. Religion is belief acquired through indoctrination.

I don't hold all religious people in contempt, because I believe that by and large it is a harmless affection. Nevertheless, I find it quizzical that in this day and age, people should continue to believe in such obvious fairy tales. Furthermore, I deplore all the the harm done in the name of religion. Atheism has neither intrinsic morals not guidance and the 'good' and 'bad' done by atheists are purely the result of human nature and the prevailing cultural moral compass. This is inherently a more tolerant and more centrist way of life, as extremism is only logical in light of extreme philosophies.


richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1551 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:28:37 AM
Personally I'm agnostic. I just find it funny that both the super religious and the super anti-religious both see themselves as having the cornerstone on all knowledge. Ptolemy proved every thing with math and science but he was still wrong. Just as David Koresh proved everything with scripture and he was wrong.

Discobiscuit
Male, 18-29, Western US
 543 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:24:02 PM
Brings to light a ton of points, makes the faithful reevaluate themselves. I'm not a part of organized religion, but I don't think spirituality should be presented in such black and white terms..
My spirituality comes from the energy of this earth and the collective consciousness around me.

Also, @ 5:50. He just might have ripped that from Seth McFarlane and Adam Corolla's banter on atheism. Check it out

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9569 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:09:42 PM
Yeah Patchgrabber. Who is this Pope you speak of?

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2137 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:32:51 PM
Patchgrabber with all due respect, those strictures are only applicable to Catholics, not the myriad of other xian denominations, some of which are actually quite pro gay. There is no one and only xian church. And even then Catholics have a bunch of theological ways for dealing with their obstinate hierarchy, stuff like the Sensus Fidelium and the emphasis on a living faith over a dead end traditionalism.

I was one of those Religious Studies nerds.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 11783 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:31:52 PM
If anyone weighed in on every single thread pertaining to the subject, and espoused the same bile-filled crap, they'd be banned as a troll.

Heureux's thing is that all atheists are prejudiced bigots, no better than racists, sexists, homophobes etc. If there was a non-religious user who claimed all Christians, Muslims, religious people, whatever, were nothing more than disgusting prejudiced bigots akin to racists, sexists etc *EVERY SINGLE TIME THE SUBJECT COMES UP*, they'd be under a ban warning too, on grounds of trolling.

Heureux, if you read this, please heed the warning.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 11783 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:31:42 PM
Is Heureux gone? I feel as if I've missed my train.

Classic Troll behaviour, I'm afraid. They're basically like seagulls. They fly in, sh*t all over the place, then fly off again. Based on past experience, I doubt he'll be back. Heck, I'm desperate to give him an official warning, but I know he won't read it. He'll wait till the next thread on religion/atheism, shat all over that one too, and then fly back to his nest.

lyonartime
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 258 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:12:31 PM
Is Heureux gone? I feel as if I've missed my train.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:40:21 PM
Well, since the official position of the church is anti-gay, it is not theologically sound for any christian to believe otherwise. The pope is anti-gay, which means that God is anti-gay, which supports those "few verses" that you choose to interpret differently than the majority of your faith. Priests, bishops, cardinals, etc. are the ones who interpret the Bible, not you. They have devoted their lives to study whereas you took some religious studies course at a community college most likely. You are required to follow their interpretation of the Bible, not your own. If they get their cue from God then who are you to disregard your own deity's rules?

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:35:34 PM
Well he just sucked the sanity out of religion. Did it in Utah too. The man has balls of steel.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10534 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:33:24 PM
@LillianDulci
You talk as if someone was actually interested in what you have to say.



And quite a few people are interested in what she has to say.

What do you have to say?

No, don't bother. I'm not interested.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10534 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:31:33 PM
It is not. Christianity is not inherently homophobic, anti-gay theology is derived from a handful of verses out of several thousand, contradicts the core teachings of both the OT and NT, and specifically, the teachings of Christ.


Mark this date on a calendar! Heureux has written something that I agree with and which isn't just a projection of his own irrational prejudices onto other people.

I can go one further and cast doubt on that handful of verses, too. There's a fairly compelling dismissal of them based on the fact that they suffer from a combination of uncertain interpretations, dubious translations and outright lies. It is theologically sound for a Christian to reject the traditional position on those verses.

TheOrigin
Male, 18-29, Europe
 471 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:13:03 PM
Seconded that notion, I'm interested in what she has to say. Try again?

LillianDulci
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2696 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:02:09 PM
Thanks NottaSpy ^^
But, I type whatever I want because I feel like it. If someone doesn't want to read it, I couldn't give a poo :D If you don't want to read it, that's not my problem :P

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