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Five Ways American Christians Ignore Jesus

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Okasen
Female, 13-17, Southern US
 714 Posts
Friday, October 14, 2011 5:05:45 PM
*reason is in play is silly.

TL;DR true altruism more than likely does not exist. However, an innate moral code has been shown to exist.

Okasen
Female, 13-17, Southern US
 714 Posts
Friday, October 14, 2011 5:04:15 PM
Actually, it is still an innate moral code. Just because it aids our survival doesn't mean it's not a moral code, it just means that morals are good things.

Also, nice things aren't negated just because they benefit the person doing them. That's the whole basis of the "an eye for an eye", "what goes around comes around," "treat everyone how you want to be treated" types of morals.

I have trouble seeing a difference between "I'll be nice to him so that he is nice to me" and "I'll be nice to him so our species will progess".

Also, everything nice you can do does benefit yourself, be it because of karma, because of fearing a god, because it furthers the species, because our brains release chemicals that make us feel happy when we do them, etc. ad infinitum. That doesn't make us necessarily selfish or negate the nice things we do, it just means we have more reason to do them. Splitting hairs over which reason is

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 585 Posts
Friday, October 14, 2011 11:28:15 AM
>>>Also dang, there is evidence that humans have natural tendencies towards altruism and similar morals that allowed us to form societies which propagated the species much better<<

My point exactly, and what I was saying from the beginning.

>>>than survival of the fittest.<<<

But it was survival of the fittest gene pool.

Therefore it is NOT an "innate moral code" it is just evolution with the driver being increasing the likely hood that your progeny, or at least the progeny of your clan who likely share most of your genes, survive to the point that they reproduce, not true alturism.

Okasen
Female, 13-17, Southern US
 714 Posts
Friday, October 14, 2011 3:13:34 AM
Alternately, God is a weird sort of genre savvy and knew that if a guy came with a book saying "Hey guys, I heard a voice that told me that we need to give freedom to all our slaves and equality to all humanity. It's totally God's word." he wouldn't have been locked up or killed or just plain ignored. Same with the case of Jesus. Yes he was crucified, but I would have to imagine that would have happened a lot sooner if he came in talking about the kind of morals we have today.

So perhaps God is trying to ease people into not being pooheads, so we kind of just need to go with the flow and interpret the bible in new ways as we go along.

But again, my personal opinion is that none of it is real, I just felt like throwing that out there.

Also dang, there is evidence that humans have natural tendencies towards altruism and similar morals that allowed us to form societies which propagated the species much better than survival of the fittest.

Okasen
Female, 13-17, Southern US
 714 Posts
Friday, October 14, 2011 3:11:50 AM
I am an athiest, but just to play Devil's Advocate (Or God's Advocate in this case?) about the whole "Bible must be read in context with the time" thing- while I do admit that normally I find it weird that an omnipotent being couldn't author a rulebook that would always be relevant, I can see a sort of scenario where the bible could be more or less legit, and still context-senstive.

Let's say that there is/was a god, and back in the biblical ages he did indeed have man write the bible while influenced by himself. It is possible that God only intended to send out the morals themselves, and God's word was interpreted in context-sensitive ways by those writing the bible, such that there is indeed a god's word in the bible that still needs some interpreting done. Essentially, like a short but really pooty telephone game.

Fleaman1797
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 719 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:04:15 PM
i LOVE Betty Bowers, ive followed her ever since her Landover Baptist website :D

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:10:05 PM
There is none. That is why it is faith.


Hmmmm... okay.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 585 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:35:06 PM
>>>Because God is working in our lives to help us understand his purpose.


Proof?<<

There is none. That is why it is faith. Yet somehow I know it is true.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:05:09 AM
Means don't pray just to be seen praying, don't make a spectacle of yourself.


...and these people weren't making a spectacle of themselves?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:01:57 AM
That does not mean homosexual relationships or bachelors for life were or are immoral.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:59:57 AM
ned together, let no one separate."

Please note the "Male & Female" part, he did not say "Male & Male" or "Female & Female".



Out of context

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:45:47 AM
dang said:
You must read the bible in the context of the society and norms in place when it was written.


NottaSpy said:
That is exactly what Atheists want, keep the Bible in context. It is a 2,000 year old book that has no place in modern society.




I since a cognitive dissonance here.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:36:16 AM
Because God is working in our lives to help us understand his purpose.


Proof?

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 585 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:42:21 AM
>>>The problem is that you are trying to assign it power it DOES NOT HAVE and never did have.<<<

A mistake I should point out that a lot of Christians make as well.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 585 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:39:24 AM
@patchgrabber the wheel of power really?

I do not believe or have faith in God because of the Bible. So your logic circle is wrong. I believe and have faith in God because I know what my life was like before I did and I know my life now is better. Circle broken.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 585 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:34:49 AM
>>So God wrote an ancient book that no longer applies<<< Shen did I say it no longer applies?

>>so it is up to you to interpret for yourself what it means now so that you can follow God's unknowable plan?<< No it is up to you to seek help in understanding God's will.

>> Are you listening to yourself? <<

Umm yes I am. Are you failing to see that you are missing the point. The Bible is not a text book on alchemy, or math, or science, or biology. It is a story God gave us to help us understand why his son came and died on the cross. The problem is that you are trying to assign it power it DOES NOT HAVE and never did have. It is not a set of rules it is a dialog written in a language and style the people it was written for at the time could understand. In it God has shown the several ways he has tried to deal with humanity and the failings of each attempt. Now he is dealing with humanity through his son. At the end

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 585 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:20:55 AM
>>> You cannot argue a point until you have seen the evidence. So go see it.<<<

OK I am back. Then show and or describe the evidence. I have by the way provided a explanation of why the only possible "inate moral code" is the preservation of ones own genes. But you have tactfully ignored that and continue to respond with "its there I just can tell you." I do not need to go talk to the flat earth society to know they are wrong. I do not need to go talk to the alchemist to know they can not turn lead into gold. If you care to debate the presence or absence of an innate moral code other than the one I have described, then do it. Other wise it is a fact not in evidence in this discussion.

mac_24_seven
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 87 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 4:54:32 AM
@Linkengerger

You can actually get a lil book called a Diaglott (I think thats the spelling). But, from my understanding, its a literal word for word greek translation into english.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1712 Posts
Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:08:15 AM
Everyday is judgement day eh? Sure seems to be.

defendors87
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 614 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:04:36 PM
linken, read the book of mormon. it's kinda like a bible 2.0

Linkenberger
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1162 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:25:36 PM
They nailed the... nail on the head with the praying and divorce thing. Those have been my biggest pet peeves with Christians.

"Why would God write a book that needs to be interpreted? Why hasn't God come out with Bible 2.0 (maybe he can't find a publisher)?"

Actually, I think the problem is Bible 2.0 already exists; and it was made hundreds of years ago. The versions we use currently are closer to Bible 70.0 when you account for both language and version translations. Actually it could be higher than that -- it's been a while since I researched it. Basically, if anyone quotes the bible, it's best to find out what that verse said in the traditional Greek/Hebrew script it was written in, and then call people out on it.

xCYBERDYNEx
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 4799 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:25:34 PM
@dang007, seriously? tl;dr

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5684 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:04:12 PM
Wheel of power

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 870 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:02:21 PM
dang007, you can think it is a debate trick, but it really isn't. There is no way to show you the evidence here, it just is not possible. I am not resting my argument on the fact that there are college courses. I am saying, go take them and see the evidence for yourself. That is what I did. I don't expect you to take my word for it. Go and see for yourself. You cannot argue a point until you have seen the evidence. So go see it.

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 870 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:57:06 PM
dang007, you are making a mess of explaining context and interpretation.

So God wrote an ancient book that no longer applies, so it is up to you to interpret for yourself what it means now so that you can follow God's unknowable plan? Are you listening to yourself?

Why would God write a book that needs to be interpreted? Why hasn't God come out with Bible 2.0 (maybe he can't find a publisher)? How can you know God's plan so that you know how to interpret the Bible, but not know God's plan when it is needed to explain the very unGod-like things that happen?


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