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Occupy Wall Street-Style Protests Spread To London

Hits: 9415 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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mikesex
Male, 60-69, Europe
 66 Posts
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:08:03 AM
City of London ( the Financial District ) is closed at weekends. Empty streets = pointless exercise.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:29:36 PM
>>Currently politicians are more dependent on people with lots of money because they need lots of money just to pay to maybe keep their job when the next election rolls around. So long as they are forced to spend more then they make in order to keep their job, they are necessarily corrupt.<<<

So we agree on the problem but not the solution. See we aren't so different after all.

Muert
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 141 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:26:53 PM
I kind of agree with you about what how much power the government has. The primary function of the government should be keeping people with lots of power from drating over the people with little. The only was to make sure that happens is if the people in the government are equally accountable to everyone.

Currently politicians are more dependent on people with lots of money because they need lots of money just to pay to maybe keep their job when the next election rolls around. So long as they are forced to spend more then they make in order to keep their job, they are necessarily corrupt.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:01:38 PM
>>The idea is to give everyone an easy side by side comparison of everyone running for an office. <<<

There is no easy side by side. What are the issues you are going to use.

Lets see do you support human rights. Well who is going to answer no?

The real issues are nuanced and complicated a simple fill in the bubble answer sheet is not workable.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:59:59 PM
>>>Addendum: If it is just you talking politics that is fine. Radio ads and TV commercials would be the main target. A candidate with a $20 budget should be able to compete with a candidate with a $20 million budget.<<<

So whomever can put together the biggest movement wins? Sounds like money still rules to me.

So news casters can sway the public by the way they report the news and candidates can not respond? The same for writers and actors and other entertainment media? Sounds like you are just giving the power to someone else. Nope I still like our system, or what it was before the latest regs. All have freedom of speech about anything at anytime.

If you are so concerned why don't you go after this a different way. Take as much power as possible away from the government. Make it as small as possible. Taxes as flat as possible. Spending as small as possible, and regs as few as possible. Then who would want to waste money buying a

Muert
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 141 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:37:39 PM
Addendum: If it is just you talking politics that is fine. Radio ads and TV commercials would be the main target. A candidate with a $20 budget should be able to compete with a candidate with a $20 million budget.

Muert
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 141 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:08:05 PM
>> So I can not tell you who I support or why? Why don't we just draw lots? <<

You as a politician or you as a individual/group?

The idea is to give everyone an easy side by side comparison of everyone running for an office.

All the other groups can go drat themselves. Voters should make up their own mind instead of going with whatever some arbitrary group has decided is the best person for the job.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:00:24 PM
>>>Everyone one running for an office is give a boilerplate webpage where they can check "For" and "against" various issues. Maybe a small limited box where they can put in whatever they want. Any other campaigning is illegal. Thus campaign financing becomes a thing of the past. <<<

So I can not tell you who I support or why? Why don't we just draw lots?

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:57:58 PM
You made statements as if they were facts to support your argument and I guess sway others to support your belief. I challenge them and I am a "douche bag."

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:55:58 PM
>> That vampire guy foreclosed on Wells Fargo because they wrongly forclosed on him and didn't respond to his letters or his lawyers.<<

One example good for you, but this had NOTHING to do with robo signing. And to bad that 1 does not equal "country littered."

>>The objective of the Iranian war was to depose Saddam Hussein. Completed.
The Objective of the Afghanistan war was to capture of kill Osama bin Laden. Competed.<<

So again I ask you is it in our interest to leave now and let those countries be taken over again by rogue elements? Or is it perhaps money better spent staying until they are functioning democratic states?


>>401K's are meant to be low risk.<<

Since when? Read your statement read the literature of the investments you purchased

>>There you go jerkface. I got your answers w/o Google. But I'm done with morons.<<

Wow have a different opin

Muert
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 141 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:55:23 PM
My extreme solution to current corruption:
1) Everyone one running for an office is give a boilerplate webpage where they can check "For" and "against" various issues. Maybe a small limited box where they can put in whatever they want. Any other campaigning is illegal. Thus campaign financing becomes a thing of the past.

2) Execute anyone who is directly involved in bribing a politician. (And the politician as well.)

That would just be the start of course... >:)

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:49:49 PM
Wow you're a douchebag. That vampire guy foreclosed on Wells Fargo because they wrongly forclosed on him and didn't respond to his letters or his lawyers.
The objective of the Iranian war was to depose Saddam Hussein. Completed.
The Objective of the Afghanistan war was to capture of kill Osama bin Laden. Completed.
401K's are meant to be low risk.
There you go jerkface. I got your answers w/o Google. But I'm done with morons.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:49:20 PM
>>>If I were to rob someone of $90K I would be in jail.<<<

Who robbed you? You admit that the mistake was yours. You had funds at risk in the market and the market went down. I have no idea if $90k was a large or small portion of your 401k. I can suggest that at 48 if it was a small portion you had a lot of catching up to do. I would also wonder if you panicked and pulled all your money out just as the market started going up again. I know that I have regained my losses since 2008. However it is really none of my business what you did or did not do. Unless you are trying to blame someone else for it.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:01:29 PM
>>>>>> You have Google. You can answer those questions yourself.<<,

Ahh I see the answers would make your argument less appealing. <<<

So I will answer them.

1. The market is risky take your money out of stocks and put them in low risk investments, i.e. bonds preferably government bonds to limit risk. " A generation of people are retiring with gutted retirement funds." Due to their own ignorance and or greed.

2. The job that needs to be done in the "two wars" is not finished. After we went and broke everything you really want us to just pull up and leave?

3. No person that paid their mortgage on time as agreed has been foreclosed. You statement "The country is littered with abandoned homes off forged foreclosures" is just a red herring hyperbole.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:00:19 PM
I'm 48 and I lost $90k of my 401K. Admittedly I'm an investment moron. But if investing is such an important byproduct of living why isn't it taught in high school? Not that I paid attention in high school but I'm part of the 99%. I play by the rules and get shafted. If I were to rob someone of $90K I would be in jail.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:57:10 AM
Regarding you Vein Diagram. Your solution and the solution of those in the protest seems to be give the government more power. How does that solve anything?

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:54:05 AM
>>> You have Google. You can answer those questions yourself.<<,

Ahh I see the answers would make your argument less appealing.

So you are now talking about pensions not individual retirement accounts?

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:39:12 AM
dang007, You have Google. You can answer those questions yourself. About the "high risk" investments. They weren't high risk. They were insured by AIG and rated AAA by all the ratings agencies.


dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:13:05 AM
>>These wars cost $10billion a month even though both war objectives have been met. <<

So lets just leave. Perhaps the price we would pay later if we let these places get taken back over by crazies is to big. Still I am not sure why we don't just stick our kids with the bill when it comes due. Seems like that's how pay for everything else.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:11:17 AM
>>>CEO's of banks make anywhere between $4 - $80million a year. They pay lobbyists so they can pay less in taxes than the working man and yet they produce nothing.<<

I am still waiting for the portion of the tax code that has "special" breaks for millionaires.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:10:22 AM
>>>A generation of people are retiring with gutted retirement funds.<<<

Can you site the retirement fund that REQUIRED these people to keep a substantial portion of their plans in high risk investments?

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:09:33 AM
>>>The country is littered with abandoned homes off forged foreclosures<<<

Can you site ONE just one example were the people paid and were foreclosed on?

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:33:40 AM
That's the tactic the media's been using to minimize OWS. The problem with spewing words that summarize what they want is an impossibility. We have been at war for 10years. These wars cost $10billion a month even though both war objectives have been met. Politicians work to convince the masses that medicaid and Social Security are the reasons we're broke. Wall St. rigged a scheme where they were the only beneficiaries. A generation of people are retiring with gutted retirement funds. The country is littered with abandoned homes off forged foreclosures and Wall Street employees get million dollar bonus's and not a soul goes to jail. CEO's of banks make anywhere between $4 - $80million a year. They pay lobbyists so they can pay less in taxes than the working man and yet they produce nothing. Same with insurance agencies. CEO's make $50million a year and do nothing but push paper. We are a nation of greedy scammers. I don't know how to summarize this revolution in a sentence or two.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 545 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:08:45 AM
>>> they just want money out of politics. <<<

This is impossible. There is no way to do this period. The system we have now is the best of all the choices.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1350 Posts
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:27:48 AM
Wellp, madest, that is the choice you're making.

If government has more power, it has more power to sell. Business is not going to simply do nothing; they are going to exercise as much influence as they possibly can on their regulators.

BTW, I'd like your opinion on what the Occupy movement wants. They didn't seem to know, so now they've been completely co-opted by the left. What was the original demand?

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