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Pakistani Family Defies Stupid Tradition [Pic+]

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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11737 Posts
Friday, September 30, 2011 5:33:34 PM
I noticed that you didn't answer my question:

If the victim dies during the torture, do you think you should continue whipping the corpse to the full count of 100? Or is their death enough?

No, I am not joking. It's a serious question. The passage in the Koran explicitly states 100 lashes as a direct order from god. So it's not clear that death is enough reason to stop.

You also ignored the theological dispute within Islam as to whether the appropriate punishment for having sex without the approval of the authorities is torture that might kill the victim (whipping) or torture that will definitely kill the victim (stoning). It isn't clear which Islam requires.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11737 Posts
Friday, September 30, 2011 5:26:57 PM
to get to the position of recieving this punishment, you need 4 witnesses who saw the full penetration, not implied.


If that was true, it would never happen. It does happen. So what you've written is not true.

"there are two signs of judgment day that i have not seen yet; one is that women would be clothes and naked at the same time (bikinis, skin tight outfits, etc...), and men using whips like cow tails (like the current whips we have now)." Just to show they had a different, less painful whip.


Rubbish.

At most, it might show that their whips didn't look like cow tails. Which is true of a very wide variety of whips, including many that would kill the victim with far less than 100 strokes.

Your best defence of your religion is a false statement that the torture you advocate for sex without the approval of the authorities is less torturous than it might seem to be.

Not much of a defence.

insane_ai
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 686 Posts
Friday, September 30, 2011 9:50:11 AM
most of the iabers have their mind fked up with anti-islamism.


Don't you mean we IAB-ers are able to think clearly and as a result reject the lies told by a schizophrenic child molester (muhammed)?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Friday, September 30, 2011 9:47:55 AM

@ CrakrJak - good link. any faith other than their own is illegal. Nice people, so tolerant.

Also, A woman in Saudi Arabia got sentanced to 10 Lashes ... her crime? Driving a car. Yep...that's it. Fortunately, the king intervened but only after international attention. If CNN hadn't picked up the story she'd be publically whipped.

10 LASHES

Yeah, we really gotta be more tolerant of these people.

xCYBERDYNEx
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 4799 Posts
Friday, September 30, 2011 4:01:36 AM
@Gerry, put up the Michael Jackson photo's man, no one wants to see his dead ass.

xCYBERDYNEx
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 4799 Posts
Friday, September 30, 2011 3:59:43 AM
@akabane, "read the quran before you speak"
You know, I keep meaning to do that but then I run out of toilet paper again and well you know what happens next...

Edgarska19
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1052 Posts
Friday, September 30, 2011 2:34:51 AM
the problem is not a single country or a single religion, but religion in general, even the "good" ones.

akabane
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1051 Posts
Friday, September 30, 2011 2:28:16 AM
"
i) 100 lashes might well kill someone. "

to get to the position of recieving this punishment, you need 4 witnesses who saw the full penetration, not implied. most people would admit to the crime so they get punish in this life and not the after life. and idk what kindof whipping you are thinking of, but it would be one that would not kill. The prophet (PBUH) said "there are two signs of judgment day that i have not seen yet; one is that women would be clothes and naked at the same time (bikinis, skin tight outfits, etc...), and men using whips like cow tails (like the current whips we have now)." Just to show they had a different, less painful whip.

He, (PBUH), also said to not mix culture and religion. that culture was the reason for earlier corruption. The Arabs told the new muslims when islam first came, "would you deny the tradition of your father and forefathers'?"

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17308 Posts
Friday, September 30, 2011 2:06:23 AM
Iran is about to kill a Christian Preacher that converted from islam, That's all he did convert to being a Christian and become a preacher and they are going to kill him for it. Story Link

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:50:32 PM

ruez
"but tradition does not equal to religion, "

When a religion has been around a long time, tradition and religious teaching can get blurred together.

For example, there is nothing in the Bible that says Mary Magdelane was a prostitute, but tradition teaches she is so that is accepted by most christians as a part of their religious teaching.

I'm not trying to pick on christianity, I suppose this is true of any faith that has been around a good long while.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11737 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:30:55 PM
slut_etta:

I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think that the "honor" killings of men point to the "lack of empathy or respect that that particular society affords its women."?

You replied by saying something different and irrelevant. That's not an answer. You stated this:

the concept of honor killings just points to the lack of empathy or respect that that particular society affords its women.


Note that you explicitly referred to the entire concept of honor killings.

At least 30% of the victims are men, maybe more. Nobody knows for sure, because it's not an issue. They're only men. It's not as though they're people.

So, please explain why you think that the "honor" killings of men demonstrate lack of empathy and respect for women.

I think ignoring their deaths solely because they're men demonstrates lack of empathy and respect for men. And it's normal in your cou

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11737 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:20:31 PM
thats one fcked up tradition
but tradition does not equal to religion, you simpletons
geez, the mess that's in the minds of you hate-loving people are unbelievable



Religious courts.
Religiously motivated actions in line with religious texts.

So your claims that it has nothing to do with religion prove that either you're lying or you're ignorant of the religion.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11737 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 4:18:44 PM
also, if someone commits fornication (im excluding rape), the punishment is 100 lashes, not death. read the quran before speaking.


i) 100 lashes might well kill someone.

If the victims dies during the torture, do you think you should continued whipping the corpse to the full count of 100? Or is their death enough?

No, I am not joking. It's a serious question. The passage in the Koran explicitly states 100 lashes as a direct order from god. So it's not clear that death is enough reason to stop.

ii) The theologically correct punishment is not as clear as you make out. You should read more Islamic material - there is internal theological disagreement about whether the punishment for sex without the approval of the religious authorities should be prolonged torture that might kill the victims or prolonged torture that will definitely kill the victims.

Religion of peace. Sure - corpses don't make any noise. Very peaceful.

ruez
Male, 18-29, Asia
 107 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 3:30:12 PM
thats one fcked up tradition
but tradition does not equal to religion, you simpletons
geez, the mess that's in the minds of you hate-loving people are unbelievable

Adi_Noor
Male, 18-29, Asia
 191 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:04:05 PM
most of the iabers have their mind fked up with anti-islamism.

kairobert
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1634 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:45:03 AM
"No amount of bombs and bullets will stop such idiocy in the world."

Even more so when the idiots themselves are dropping the bombs.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 9:21:48 AM

Is this the real face of Islam?



Tell me again about this peaceful, loving culture and faith.

akabane
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1051 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:11:08 AM
"I would blame it on religion, and truly it's partly the fault of Islamic teachings, but it's not just about that. "

Actually this goes completely against islam. before islam, the arabs had a similar tradition of burying their daughters alive, but that became banned since its murder. also, if someone commits fornication (im excluding rape), the punishment is 100 lashes, not death. read the quran before speaking.

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2482 Posts
Thursday, September 29, 2011 1:31:32 AM
This is how the change begins. My heart goes out to the girl and her family. But if they will inspire others to get behind the cause.

ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2304 Posts
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:57:19 PM
good, cause that is drating retarded

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11737 Posts
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:33:47 PM
@angilion. the lack of respect for women is demonstrated by the percentages of female murder as opposed to male murder. duh.


The official admitted to 30% of the victims being male, although they dismissed those victims as much as possible. The official is employed in a human rights position, so they have to dismiss men's lives in order to keep their job.

They also said, very plausibly, that many of the murders are reported as suicides. Given that murdering women is seen as being so much worse than murdering men, it's also plausible that the proportion of murders of men that are reported as suicides is higher than the corresponding figures for women. So it's probably higher than 30%.

But even at 30%, your total dismissal of their lives is profoundly sexist and demonstrates the sexist lack of empathy and respect you were referring to.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12724 Posts
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 9:13:59 PM
A great many of these people continue to adhere to their traditional ways after they have emigrated as well.

I would blame it on religion, and truly it's partly the fault of Islamic teachings, but it's not just about that. The wider non-muslim parts of the Indian continent and South/Central Asian region also have an appalling record of crimes and attitudes towards women's rights. Google India kitchen accidents, but do NOT do an image search.

SilverThread
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3379 Posts
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:42:52 PM
Pakistan, your country is run by a gang of sadistic chickens#it cowards. This story is proof that there are worth while people there, my advice to them, learn to speak Hindi and move to India, because in a few years Pakistan is going to be a smoking hole in the ground.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 8:22:17 PM

Come on guys. They don't always kill the women.
Sometimes, if she has only shamed them a little they just cut their nose and ears off.

There's lots of news stories about this crazy poo. You can google and read them.

Viking864
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 1408 Posts
Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:54:22 PM
What a bunch of dam idiots.

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