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This Dude Has Big Balls--No, Literally [Pic]

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Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:24:04 PM
If I choose not to purchase insurance, I have chosen to assume the risk myself.

F*ck you.

If you choose not to purchase insurance, end up hospitalized, and are unable to pay a massive bill, guess who ends up paying for it assh*le?

It's the same as regulating any other theft, because it's the exact same consequences: if YOU can't or don't pay for it, then WE (or the insurance companies, which will end up raising prices on US) WILL have to pay for it, because the hospitals will end up raising their prices to cover the loss.

If people would've paid their bills in the first place, the system wouldn't be f*cked up and this wouldn't have had to happen.

Now they have no choice, and everyone wants to b*tch. It's just like a classroom - one little idiot causes problems, everyone suffers.

And it all starts with people like you: The one little idiot.

herohair1978
Male, 30-39, Europe
 15 Posts
Monday, September 19, 2011 6:43:12 AM
Just wait a few years until you are actually old enough to have experienced paying tax for any length of time and have benefitted from what they actually pay for. Then you might be in a position to say they are a bad thing. After all, taxation has been around in some form or other for 4000 years. You'd better get your argument for its abolition a little deeper than "It's wrong for the government to take things from me by force", when you know damn well something is given back in return; services.

herohair1978
Male, 30-39, Europe
 15 Posts
Monday, September 19, 2011 6:41:40 AM
Now, I am not saying all privatised entities are bad, far from it. What I do believe however is that there is a place for entities that exist for the good of the people who use them and not the people who own them.
Why should someone profit from your illness?
Should McDonalds be able to buy the school where my kids go? What's to stop them serving nothing but burgers for lunch?
Will my local park be bought by someone who will charge me an entrance fee? What if there are no alternative parks to go to?
Will people have to rely on charitable housing associations to provide comfortable affordable housing because council housing no longer exists?

herohair1978
Male, 30-39, Europe
 15 Posts
Monday, September 19, 2011 6:16:06 AM
It sounds like you are talking about total capitalism, where everything is a commodity to be bought and sold, and there is no such thing as a public service. I'd be very wary of espousing a corporate-run future. I doubt there would be any elected leaders representing you, only people who have enough money to preside over everything you do for profit. Too poor to use my road? Find another one. That one too long? Tough. You want your child taught in this highly rated school? You'd better mortgage your kidney, because only the super rich can afford it. You only have enough money to scrape by? Bad luck, you'd better get used to having the worst of everything, and your kids had better get used to the idea of learning how to whittle wood at school.
Sorry, but I prefer my services to be provided by people I elect.

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:23:22 AM
Remember when I said that corporations would pay money to enforce contracts? Keep in mind that every single transaction you make that involves goods is a contract. When you hand money to a corner store owner, it is implied that he will give you cigarettes. If there was no government, there would be no implication that he would give you anything. If you didn't pay a little extra to the government to secure every transaction you make, your contract would not be legally secure. You use the government everyday; this is something that would be paid for, or the free-market would crash overnight.

You're still in the mindset that the government is a ruler of the people. Thomas Jefferson made it clear that the government is a servant, not a ruler.

A servant still needs to be paid. If you don't pay, you don't get a servant. What's so hard to understand?

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Sunday, September 18, 2011 12:06:12 AM
It's hard for you to conceive of it, since you've never lived in a world where a government was reduced to what it should be. The method I described (one of the many methods and probably not the best) is only applicable in a fully-free society.

When you said that voluntary funding would be protection racket, you were right: in today's context. If we were to implement that system today, right now--it would certainly come to something like that. That's why it would only work in a fully free society and it would be the last step in converting a welfare state to capitalism.

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:56:43 PM
That's Appeal to Dismissal fallacy; just because I'm free to leave the country doesn't invalidate my argument that the system is immoral.

It's protection racket? Strange, because that's what taxes seem like to me; the government threatens you with harm unless you pay them money for "protection."

Government services would be denied. Police and court; they wouldn't be allowed to sue anyone and the like. Keep in mind that all property would be privately owned--this includes schools and roads.

It's poorly thought out because I'm not a legal philosopher. However, it still doesn't justify taxation.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:34:25 AM
Frankly, your alternative is very poorly thought out. It's not a workable option in a large civilised society. It's doable if humanity reverts to feudal villages with no government and vigilante justice, but we're an advanced civilisation from those days now, and better for it.

Also, I'm an atheist. Is this relevant too?

Not particularly then. It just always amuses me how the Christian Right use 'socialism' like a swear word. Clearly they haven't read the Bible very well at all, because Jesus' political inclinations are pretty clear, as exemplified by the passage I linked.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:27:17 AM
the government FORCES people to pump cash into a system, regardless of whether they want to or not

No. If you don't want to, leave the country.
Abiding by a civilisation's laws is one of the conditions of citizenship of civilisation. If you don't want to, you're free to go live somewhere else.

corporations would give portions of each sale to the government to protect them

What you are describing is the first stage of a protection racket.

As for people who wouldn't fund the government in a free society: they wouldn't get government services

What, are you going to post a policeman at every on-ramp to stop them using the road they haven't paid for? Only send a squad car to get rid of their burglar after they provide their credit card details or membership number? Deny their children their right to education at the hands of a trained professional? Only appoint lawyers to criminal defendants who're paid up?

dirtysteve00
Male, 30-39, Europe
 375 Posts
Friday, September 16, 2011 2:20:22 PM
@M Archer, you're not old enough for any of this to be bothering you, why can't you be like a normal teenager and giggle at the giant balls?

Also 'Still, that's NOTHING to how much the Christian church raises in America alone--literally, billions...all in voluntary funds. '

THE christian church? there's only one?

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Friday, September 16, 2011 10:16:57 AM
herohair1978: It's true that we have to pay Medicare--and I think Medicare should be abolished.

Force is the essential issue: the government FORCES people to pump cash into a system, regardless of whether they want to or not. That oversteps the bounds of the government--this is the crucial issue.

As for people who wouldn't fund the government in a free society: they wouldn't get government services--similar to the way if you don't pay for dry-cleaning, you don't get dry-cleaning. The government nowadays is able to track who does or doesn't pay their taxes; they'd be able to track who and who doesn't fund the government.

Besides, funding based on income isn't the only way a government can be funded; corporations would give portions of each sale to the government to protect them, patents and copyrights would cost money, etc.

But this is largely irrelevant to the current conversation.

Mazztek
Male, 40-49, Western US
 197 Posts
Friday, September 16, 2011 8:38:42 AM
He was on the Howard Stern show. After his interview, the Sirius medical channel doctors came to see him and are giving him free treatment. Look for the Sept 14, 2011 show

herohair1978
Male, 30-39, Europe
 15 Posts
Friday, September 16, 2011 5:06:59 AM
"In a free society, people would recognize the importance of the police, courts and military so they would pay for them."

Wait, so you don't have a problem with a few people funding something whilst many other people don't pay for it because they choose not to, but you do have a problem with a few people funding something whilst many other people don't pay for it because they can't.

Or are you naive enough to imagine that if everyone had the choice to pay, everyone would? If everyone benefits from something that has been put in place for them, then everyone should be expected to make sure they contribute to it.

It's fine to say "we are free to make the choice", but that choice will almost certainly lead to hordes of people who chooce not to pay for the very thing they are benefiting from. Doesn't that make those people the spongers you appear to hate so much? How come it is suddenly fine if they sponge through choice rather than circumstan

herohair1978
Male, 30-39, Europe
 15 Posts
Friday, September 16, 2011 4:54:05 AM
M_Archer
Yes, we're required to pay if we earn. So? I didn't say we weren't. The NHS probably wouldn't deny treatment to people who needed it i.e. life-threatening cases, but the patient would probably need to pay for that afterwards. That would be why tourists to the UK need their medical insurance in place as they haven't paid into the system. They'd need to pay for treatment somehow.

And besides, didn't you just say yesterday you pay FICA? Is that mandatory? It covers Medicare if I'm not mistaken, so when you say "That means you're forced to give up money you've earned to pay for someone who hasn't earned it.", surely that applies to you too? Except you lie to yourself about it.
You misunderstand one vital point: we do not pay NI tax to fund other people's care, we pay it for when we ourselves need it in the future. People getting treatment on the NHS now have almost certainly spent years pumping cash into the system. They've paid their way.

herohair1978
Male, 30-39, Europe
 15 Posts
Friday, September 16, 2011 4:39:37 AM
auburnjunky

"Here's the problem. Obmam's national healthcare will NOT end FICA, it will ADD A TAX to my income, and I WILL STILL have to pay for my own insurance.

It all adds up to about 60% of my earnings. drat!"

Damn that is a huge chunk of cash! That doesn't make a national healthcare system bad though, it just makes Obama a money-grabbing swine. Expecting people to pay Health Insurance, FICA and National Healthcare is pretty much making people pay for the same thing three times.
I'm quite happy paying my 12% NI contribution that pays for my healthcare, pension and any other benefits I may need in the future such as disability etc (hope I never need that one).

Scott_2150
Male, 18-29, Europe
 791 Posts
Friday, September 16, 2011 2:22:28 AM
Looks like he stuck his balls in a microwave to be eligible for medicinal Marijuana.

MrLill
Male, 18-29, Western US
 360 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:17:40 PM
Anyone else reminded of south park?

CoyoteCrow4
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 72 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:02:23 PM
At this point...go ahead and castrate me... I really don't want kids anyway...

Sophismata
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 19 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:10:31 PM
Because the internet is serious business duh!

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:04:05 PM
How much did Obama raise during his campaign? Seven hundred million? Keep in mind, every single penny was given voluntarily.

Still, that's NOTHING to how much the Christian church raises in America alone--literally, billions...all in voluntary funds.

In a free society, people would recognize the importance of the police, courts and military so they would pay for them. There's no reason to think people would buy insurance from insurance companies and those same people would not buy government protection.

@Sophismata: What do you mean flame war? We're having a pleasant conversation. I guess that's too much to ask of your tiny little juvenile brain to conceive of something like that.

Sophismata
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 19 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:59:29 PM
Post picture of man with big balls, time for a healthcare f-f-f-FLAME WAR!!!!!!

Bottleofrum
Male, 18-29, Western US
 164 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:45:05 PM
he could just bounce arround on them as a form of transportation

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:38:47 PM
Government funding in a free society is a very complex legal issue and the actual implementation of such a system should be left to lawyers. Also, even if it wouldn't work, I fail to see how the failure of that system would justify robbery.

Also, I'm an atheist. Is this relevant too?

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:36:50 PM
@almightybob1: Yeah...so if you don't have an income, you still get healthcare i.e. you get an unearned service paid for with money expropriated from someone.

I guess we have to agree to disagree. I think most people would voluntary give 5% of their income to fund the police, courts and military. Additional money would come from patent fees and the enforcement of contracts.

I'm an American living in Canada. Incidentally, I'm also Canadian. How is this relevant?

I want to live in a society where the initiation of force is banned from all relationships. Your ideal society only sounds good if you're a context-dropper; you forget to montion that in the society your propose, "looking after" would involve violating the rights of the productive people; it would involve making slaves of people who CAN take care of themselves.

I fail to see the difference between an armed robber and an IRS collection agent--I guess the former is more honest.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:18:16 PM
Basically, it boils down to what kind of society you want to live in.

I want to live in one that looks after people who can't look after themselves, even when it's not profitable to do so.


Are you a Christian, M_Archer? Because if so, you might want to read Matthew 25:34-45. Jesus would have loved the NHS.

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