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Dr. Michio Kaku Is Interviewed About UFOs

Hits: 10345 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: Science | Added by: madest
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NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 874 Posts
Friday, September 16, 2011 9:49:11 AM
I'm impressed. Notaspy knows all there is to know about the universe! Someone call Stephen Hawking.

Awww, poor Samsquanch, I must have hurt his wittle feewings when I pointed his stupid claims.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:19:46 PM
Having checked, I see that it's probably impossible for the moon to *ever* leave orbit unless something pushes it out somehow (a major impact, very powerful engines, that sort of thing). The further away it moves from Earth, the smaller the effect that's causing it to move away (which isn't gravity). Apparently it will stop well before the moon gets far enough away to escape Earth.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:10:22 PM
250,000 years from now the Moon is expected to spin off from the Earths gravitational pull and our planet is expected to wobble as a result.


250,000 years from now the moon is expected to be ~9.5Km further away. ~1.000025 times as far away as it is now. What evidence do you have that it will "spin off from the Earths gravitational pull", since it will be experiencing almost identical pull from the Earth as it does now?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:58:09 PM
davymid: The difference is God gives me hope, I can pray to him, not just for me but for others as well, faith keeps people grounded and sane in an insane world.

Dinosaurs and UFOs aren't going to give anyone the kind of hope that faith provides.



Of course UFOs can - benevolent aliens with vast powers are no different to a god or gods in that respect. You can pray to them, you can hope that they will intervene and make everything lovely. What's the difference?

Samsquanch
Male, 30-39, Canada
 794 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 2:45:23 PM
I'm impressed. Notaspy knows all there is to know about the universe! Someone call Stephen Hawking.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:16:42 PM
The difference is God gives me hope

That's fine. If you want to believe things because they give you hope, or make you feel good, go for it. I want to believe things that are true.

I can pray to him, not just for me but for others as well, faith keeps people grounded and sane in an insane world.

Ironically, talking to, or hearing the voice of, someone who isn't there is a sign of insanity, such as schizophrenia.

Advanced aliens would not likely want to make friends with us, it's more likely they would see our planet for our resources and enslave us, by force, to retrieve them.

As others have pointed out, any species with the technology to travel to earth would be able to harvest any resource they needed far more easily in space than from Earth. Anything we have could be found in far greater quantities elsewhere in the galaxy.

Kalimata
Male, 30-39, Canada
 660 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:34:40 PM
Personally, I think that advanced aliens pop by every once in a while and check us out. Why? Why do we study animal populations. Why do we study anthropology and paleontology? Same reasons perhaps, to study how "they" were, how "they" may have evolved.

I do not care what anyone says about FTL being impossible, when we are discovering things like quantum entanglement, you cannot poo-poo FTL, psychic phenomenon or anything else.

Murrtastic
Female, 18-29, Western US
 5 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:35:25 AM
did anyone else have a problem with the sound? I can barely hear it...

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17162 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 1:13:47 AM
mvangild: Considering how rare dinosaur fossils are to find, I disagree with the belief that 'A LOT' of (dinosaur) biological matter was laying around.

Back then, as now, animal carcasses are eaten and decomposed, by various means, back into the cycle of life. Algae and plankton however formed sedimentary layers and were not readily recycled like most plant life and nearly all animal life were.

Yes, I'm a Christian that is scientifically educated and knows evolutionary theory and processes quite well. Dinos are not in my gas tank, that is what I would call a bit of petroleum mythology. Just like the myth that the earth will run out of crude oil in 50 years, it's an oft repeated falsehood, meant to motivate people to spend large sums of public money into research.

"You don't ever want a crisis to go to waste" - Rahm Emanuel

mvangild
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 528 Posts
Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:18:09 AM
That's right, Crakr, MAINLY from algae and plankton. But I'm thinking there's still a possibility that there's a bit of stegosaurus in your exhaust pipe right now. I mean, there was a LOT of biological matter laying around back then. Who's to say what wound up where and as what?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17162 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:51:41 PM
mvangild: I'm pretty sure davymid will confirm with me that the petroleum recovered under the earth came from mainly ancient algae and plankton, not dinosaurs.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17162 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:46:12 PM
davymid: This planet is nothing special.


Really ? Then why are spending so much time looking for planets nearly identical to our own ? Earth is indeed a special and rare type of planet.

...those c*nts that flew the planes into the Twin Towers did so for... the very same Paradise you seek.


Not quite, I'm not going to martyr myself in return for an imams promise of 72 vestal virgins. Although islam is an offshoot of the root Abrahamic faith, their concept of heaven is rather different than the Catholic, Protestant, and Jewish view of what heaven is. Even the 'delivery of the message' is much different.

I know your experiences in Ireland has hardened you against religion, But you equating Christians with "those c*nts that flew the planes into the Twin Towers" is way off the mark man.

mvangild
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 528 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:45:37 PM
Well, Crakr, dinosaurs give you the hope that your car will start tomorrow to take you to work. :)

Davymid, Hawking said it himself that when explorers find a new place, things usually don't go well for the natives. Sure, they might have all the things you say, but what makes you think they'll share them with us? Because we're so charming? We have nothing to offer a technically advanced civilization, aside from a few specimens to put in a zoo. The only other thing I can think of that would be of value would be a new supply of food. Diamond, hydrocarbons, water, all in fair supply around the galaxy. Carbon based lifeforms? Not so much. We would be powerless to stop it if they decided to take every last one of our carrots. :)

Just trying to instill some levity here, people. But, if we ever encounter an alien species, I for one will be looking for the aliens' book entitled, "To Serve Man".

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:25:48 PM
@Davymid... I feel sorry for your daughter.

Steady, Tiger. Not what I said.

Discobiscuit
Male, 18-29, Western US
 543 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:22:30 PM
Double post:

Of course I'm not referring to the infinitesimally small minority atheists constantly refer to as the religion standard. Nor am I referring to anything that happened around half a millennium ago.

Discobiscuit
Male, 18-29, Western US
 543 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:18:35 PM
@Davymid
Why do you feel so threatened by religion? Sure it tends makes people stupid. Beyond that it's not very harmful. You have a set hate for it rather than a benign neglect.

I feel sorry for your daughter. Growing up without spirituality... from a god or otherwise. I needed faith to keep me sane in my younger years. I hope you let her believe what she wants to, if not just for now

IrishJesus
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 484 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:14:10 PM
I agree with every word Davy has said.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:39:23 PM
It doesn't cost for me to believe in my faith, and I don't fear for the loss of my loved ones because I know in my heart I'll meet them again.

How delightfully Disney of you. I, for one, don't know that I'll meet my loved ones again. But if you know it in your heart of hearts, then you go, Simba.

On a deeper note, it DOES cost to believe in your faith. You think those c*nts that flew the planes into the Twin Towers did so for a laugh? No, Crackrjak. They were promised the very same Paradise you seek. Their method was drastically different, but the method of delivery of that message was the same: Organised Religion.

Which is why I say: Sh*t it. Sh*t it out of you until you can sh*t no more.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:39:14 PM
davymid: I seriously doubt any doctor is going to 'blow smoke' at a patient over the diagnosis of cancer.

You're missing the point. As I see it, religious faith 'blows smoke' over the fact that we're born, we live our lives, we die.

Advanced aliens would not likely want to make friends with us, it's more likely they would see our planet for our resources and enslave us, by force, to retrieve them.

Any civilization advanced enough to travel across light-years to meet us, would likely not be enamoured with our natural resources. There are stellar bodies out there made entirely of diamond. There are others made entirely of hydrocarbons. Why would they choose to rape Earth of it's resources? This planet is nothing special. Special to us, of course, but to a advanced spacefaring race? I don't think so.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17162 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:51:23 PM
davymid: I seriously doubt any doctor is going to 'blow smoke' at a patient over the diagnosis of cancer.

Advanced aliens would not likely want to make friends with us, it's more likely they would see our planet for our resources and enslave us, by force, to retrieve them. I don't see much 'hope' in that theory.

It doesn't cost for me to believe in my faith, and I don't fear for the loss of my loved ones because I know in my heart I'll meet them again.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:20:22 PM
I have a 5-year old daughter. Started Kindergarten this week. I spend every day with her as if it's my last day I'll ever see her, because it might be. Some call the atheist position bleak and dark, to me it's eye-opening, beautiful and makes my life fiercely immediate.

Carpe Diem and all that.

p.s. sorry for quad!

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:20:07 PM
Also (waxing philosophical here, forgive me), a lack of faith does not render someone immoral, or nihilist, or lacking any reason in life, as has been claimed before. I see it as quite the opposite.

If this is the only life we have (as I believe), then it is all the more reason to live as good and compassionate and fulfilled life as one possibly can while being on the earth. It also encourages us to be conscientious with our environment, as we're only custodians for the next generations. I believe there will be no Armageddon, no end-times when someone hits the reset button and we all live in Heaven (well, the ones that made the cut (again, insert personal religion here) to get into one's particular heaven.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:19:53 PM
Ironically, an advanced alien species visiting earth (ignoring the silly rantings about dinosaurs), who would have scientific knowledge of interstellar or even intergalactic travel, is very likely to have advanced science in terms of extending life, even immortality, and countless other blessings to relieve suffering and pain. So they may provide more good things than "God", who may or may not be there.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:19:08 PM
vv CJ, I don't agree. Faith in God (of course, your particular God, insert religion here) might give you hope... hope of an afterlife, hope that things will be better someday, hope that someday you'll be reunited with your loved ones in heaven. I'd rather have the facts.

If I have terminal cancer and have 6 months to live, I'd rather have that doctor tell me straight up the facts. I don't want him/her to tell me "it's OK, it might get better". I want to know the immediacy of my situation so that I can fit all the things in I want to do before I die. To me, that's the kind of 'hope' that faith provides.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17162 Posts
Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:02:15 PM
davymid: The difference is God gives me hope, I can pray to him, not just for me but for others as well, faith keeps people grounded and sane in an insane world.

Dinosaurs and UFOs aren't going to give anyone the kind of hope that faith provides.

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