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WBC Greeted By Long Beach CA Residents

Hits: 14159 | Rating: (3.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Monday, September 12, 2011 7:08:05 AM
The Law does not say, "women can do this while men can do that"


Yes it does you in fact pointed it out earlier.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4528 Posts
Monday, September 12, 2011 6:55:29 AM
Cajun247-"both men AND women have to go through the same test."

Unfortunately, this is not true. There are many instances where the female is subject to less stringent testing. (for example, the Army has lower physical requirements for women) For that matter, there are also such requirements based on race also.

While I dissagree with both, the fact is they do exist and are policy.


Cajun247-"No it isn't, (keyword: opposite)"

And that keyword: opposite is enforced accross the board. (i.e. The Law does not say, "women can do this while men can do that". It say a person (either sex) can not marry someone of the same sex.)

So, the LAW is enforce equally accross the genders.

Cajun247-"we also have hermaphrodites...what is opposite of that?"

Well, regardless of the appearance of both male and female genetalia, every human hermaphrodite actually DOES have a gender. It's based on t

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Monday, September 12, 2011 6:53:59 AM
Would you two give it a rest

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Monday, September 12, 2011 3:52:59 AM
I'd also like to bring up the fact that we also have hermaphrodites, people with both sets of fully functional genatalia. I ask you what is opposite of that?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Monday, September 12, 2011 3:50:35 AM
Yes I know of the physiological difference between men and women, I've known that since kindergarden. I also know that not all men have the same emotional needs and the same desires. Not all women have the same emotional needs and desires.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Monday, September 12, 2011 3:45:58 AM
That's why they fight for lower physical testing requirements for women testing for firefighting. If they were truly equal, then they would be required to pass the same exact physical tests as the men.


If they are expected to do the same tasks as men, then this is a bad idea. Now IF said organization is privately run, then there is no issue. If it isn't then both men AND women have to go through the same test. Likewise if women want to serve in the military they should be held to the same standards as men.

That limit is the same accross the board.


No it isn't, (keyword: opposite)

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4528 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:32:37 PM
fgreatwest-"I would like to think the same thing would happen if no one paid WBC any attention."

Man, it would be great if it were that simple.

I did like the response that was given them in this video though.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4528 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:29:23 PM
Cajun247-"promote traditional gender roles IS discriminatory as it implies that men and women are not the same in all respects."

You DO know that men and women are NOT the same in all respects, right? Even women's groups realize that. That's why they fight for lower physical testing requirements for women testing for firefighting. If they were truly equal, then they would be required to pass the same exact physical tests as the men.

By the same token, a women can qualify for special treatement under the American Disability Act if she has complications during her pregnancy. THERE'S a law the effects one gender but not the other.

In fact there are MANY laws that treat women different from men, and mose were pushed by women's 'equal opportunity' groups.

Your mom should have taught you this already.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4528 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:07:01 PM
Cajun247-"No I want the OPPURTUNITIES to be equal."

Male and female have the same oppOrtunity under the law. They can both marry someone of the opposite sex.

Cajun247-"law requires that I marry someone that is a member of the opposite sex "

Incorrect. The law does not require you to marry ANYONE, but does limit who you may marry. That limit is the same accross the board. (thus, no 14th relevence)

fgreatwest
Male, 30-39, Western US
 102 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 8:01:31 PM
Man, it's hard out there for a "hate" group.
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This reminds me of a Simpson's Treehouse of Horros episode about the marketing mascots that come to life. In the end, if you pay them no attention, they will go away. I would like to think the same thing would happen if no one paid WBC any attention.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:14:04 PM
Lastly, if you believe that I'm arguing the sexual segregation IPSO FACTO is discriminatory, you're mistaken. Sexual segregation with the intent to promote traditional gender roles IS discriminatory as it implies that men and women are not the same in all respects.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 4:00:00 PM
and there should be no 'Mens' & 'Womens' rooms


I'm saying the law shouldn't mandate it. In this case, it doesn't even need to. Any private entity with a building large enough to need separate facilities would lose business simply because of a lack of said facilities.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:06:05 PM
EVERYone is subject to the same law.


Yes and everyone IS obviously. But equal enforcement does not simply mean that everyone is subject to the law but rather law sees everyone the same (a person). The census bureau or the State of Texas may ask you what is your gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation, those characteristics have NO legal bearing whatsoever.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:57:14 PM
Another FACT:

Take a snippet from Brown v BOE:

Does segregation of children in public schools solely on the basis of race, even though the physical facilities and other "tangible" factors may be equal, deprive the children of the minority group of equal educational opportunities? We believe that it does... Segregation of white and colored children in public schools has a detrimental effect upon the colored children. The impact is greater when it has the sanction of the law, for the policy of separating the races is usually interpreted as denoting the inferiority of the negro group. A sense of inferiority affects the motivation of a child to learn.


In the case of marriage laws it denotes the "inferiority" of homosexuals.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:52:31 PM
unable to actually argue the facts


FACT: The law requires that I marry someone that is a member of the opposite sex as opposed to another person.

Also I've also made reference to case law where text of the law being questioned was simply 'differential'.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:44:03 PM
for a simpleton you have proven yourself to be


Ad hominem

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:39:51 PM
The commission of a crime is not a category of a person, it is a merit. So those laws have nothing to do with this argument.

YOU, on the other hand, want the RESULTS to be equal


No I want the OPPURTUNITIES to be equal.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:36:13 PM
The law differentiates between sexes all the time


That's the problem, discrimination does have to be 'preferential' but simply 'differential'.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:34:15 PM
That's equivilant to saying that Sex Offender Laws are unconstitutional because they effect pedophiles more than the average law abiding citizen.


Those laws are based on merit (acts) not category (sex).

Many states have laws that require any new building to have 50% more Female restrooms than male.


Guess what they are.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4528 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:22:49 PM
Cajun247-"Therefore you tacitally admit that the law does not treat people the "same in all respects"."

I did no such thing. (but I recognize your attempt to 'read' something into the argument as you are unable to actually argue the facts).

Making it perfectly simple (for a simpleton you have proven yourself to be):

Relevent portion of the 14th: No State shall ...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." (i.e. All laws shall be enforced the same to everyone.)

In this case, they are. YOU, on the other hand, want the RESULTS to be equal. That's equivilant to saying that Sex Offender Laws are unconstitutional because they effect pedophiles more than the average law abiding citizen. The laws are the same for everyone, but in reality are only relevent to those that would break them (which could be said about 99% of the laws, such as those concerning speeding, burglery and homicide).

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4528 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:14:35 PM
Cajun247-"So the law isn't treating a female as a female as opposed to a person?"

The law differentiates between sexes all the time, and there's nothing unconstitutional about it.

Many states have laws that require any new building to have 50% more Female restrooms than male. According to your 'logic', these laws are unconstitutional, and there should be no 'Mens' & 'Womens' rooms.

But, no matter how you try to weasil the wording, the law is not applied any differently between genders.

EVERYone is subject to the same law. You have not been able to prove otherwise.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:43:05 AM
Therefore you tacitally admit that the law does not treat people the "same in all respects".

Thank you proving me right.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:31:47 AM
See, equality under the law.



Again no, the word "opposite" implies that all people are "not the same in all respects".

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:23:19 AM
stated (incorrectly) that the genders were not being treated equally, which is why I argued that there was no descrimination based on gender



So the law isn't treating a female as a female as opposed to a person?

Sorry but the law is to see males and females as people. It is supposed to see a male as a person and a female as a person. Thus a person should be allowed to marry another person. Not limited to someone of the "opposite sex". Treating EVERYONE the "same in all respects" means I am NOT restricted to someone of the opposite sex. So no I stated it perfectly.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4528 Posts
Saturday, September 10, 2011 8:15:03 PM
krisley-"Grendel it's a sexuality issue not a gender issue ffs. "

No, it is a law issue. The Law is being enforced equally. It's not a 14th issue.

Cajun247 stated (incorrectly) that the genders were not being treated equally, which is why I argued that there was no descrimination based on gender. I'm glad you agree.

But, basing it on Sexuality.

Sexuality: Straight. Able to marry someone of the opposite sex, but not of the same sex.
Sexuality: Gay. Able to marry someone of the opposite sex, but not of the same sex.
See, equality under the law. All you have to do is change the law. Happens all the time.

And your statement "Able to marry any person of the sex that they are attracted to." is incorrect. I am attracted to the female sex. Jessical Alba is a member of the female sex (i.e. any person of that sex). Yet, strangely enough, I can not marry her. (I know what you meant, and am being facetious, but ambigu

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