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President Obama's Address Live [Live Comments]

Hits: 11671 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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KPres
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 309 Posts
Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:20:17 PM
"I am fascinated by the joblessness in our country. My company is ALWAYS and I mean always looking for full-time help and I can't tell you how many people come in here and want to only work certain hours, certain days of the week, need every other Wednesday off, have to leave early every Tuesday and Friday, call in sick at least once a week, blah-dee-blah-blah. It's insanity. There's no work ethic anymore."

Endless unemployment benefits. love how the liberals say "but everybody wants a job". No they don't. Nobody wants a job. What everybody wants is the MONEY from a job. If you're just going to give them the money, why on earth would anybody want to do any work? They wouldn't.

KPres
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 309 Posts
Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:16:52 PM
"Our government didn't come up with loopholes or tax havens or subsidies or credit default swaps. That's all by design of wealthy, greedy douchebags that pay lobbyist to get their way and use our system for gain."

If you think a credit default swap is some kind of scam, then you understand absolutely zip about finance, and don't deserve to be in this conversation.

KPres
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 309 Posts
Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:14:46 PM
Hard work is only part of becoming successful. There's also foresight, responsibility, ingenuity, intelligence, integrity, delayed gratification, perserverance, etc. But all that only matters in a profit AND LOSS system.

krisley
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 524 Posts
Saturday, September 10, 2011 12:36:23 PM
Righties know that the majority of the rich actually earned their wealth, but think that the majority of the poor are lazy free-loaders.
Lefties know that the majority of the poor actually do work for their meager living, but think that the majority of the rich are greedy pricks that inherited their wealth or acquired it through other, less legal means.
Hopefully we'll eventually realize that both sides have half the truth, and actually start getting some crap done.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12153 Posts
Saturday, September 10, 2011 7:59:14 AM
Bazza's not doing badly, considering his disadvantages.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:59:30 AM

@ M_Archer - Yes! Exactly! I knew you could be trained!

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 10:10:21 PM
@cheerios18: The only thing J.P. Morgan was guilty of was violating antitrust laws; but because they're so subjective and vague, literally anyone can be guilty of them if the government doesn't like you.

All those laws do is sacrifice great people to inferior people. J.P. Morgan was guilty of the antitrust laws i.e. he was guilty of being successful, better than his inferiors and not liked by the government.

cheerios18
Female, 18-29, Western US
 30 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 9:39:23 PM
Ha XD Yeah M. Archer, J.P. Morgan was just a stand up guy, good, honest, working fellow. Not like he was infamous for making trusts or anything trivial like that.

20 bucks says archer's a republican.

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 6:05:12 PM
@Madest: Teddy combated the abuses of big businesses? You mean like harassing J.P. Morgan, one of the greatest investment bankers who ever lived? Morgan created his wealth from nothing. He was incredibly successful; Roosevelt hated him for that and went out of his way to bully him despite the fact that the government requested Morgan's help many times to fix the problems they created; Morgan fixed those problems while making money for himself in the process.

"corporate interests must be subordinate to national interests." i.e. you mean individual rights should be subjugated to might. What you preach is called collectivism: the theory that an individual comes second towards another cause (in your case, the nation).

@Gerry: By the same logic, I could say that you don't have to give your money to the street mugger; you can die--it's voluntary.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 4:51:31 PM

M_Archer
"I'm saying that the government should be funded by voluntary means"

It is. You don't have to pay taxes unless you want to.

You pay taxes because you want to pay them more than you want to go to jail....voluntary. :)

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 4:21:19 PM
Tax codes a wreck. But greed is the cause. Our government didn't come up with loopholes or tax havens or subsidies or credit default swaps. That's all by design of wealthy, greedy douchebags that pay lobbyist to get their way and use our system for gain.
We need another Theodore Roosevelt. He was the first man to use the office of the presidency to combat the abuses of big business. His celebrated "trust-busting" advanced the principle that corporate interests must be subordinate to national interests.

OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
 548 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 4:06:55 PM
The entire tax code is unfair. We have people that pay nothing but get money returned to them, (the tax code being used as welfare) to hide the welfare.
Not that I am against that, but I am against the covert ways politicians lie to us the normal citizen, and fool us. If we want to give them welfare, then let's give it and call it what it is!

So when you hear BO talk about Warren Buffet paying less in taxes than his secretary. Notice the missing word, he doesn't say less "income" taxes. Why would they mislead us so? To get what they want at any cost. For to them the ends justify the means.

I think all of us would like to pay our fair share of taxes don't you? The politicians complicate "Fair".

OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
 548 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 4:02:43 PM
Let's get the tax rate discussion straight. We all are on a graduated percentage for personal income tax. The rates range from 0% to 35% for people making about $380,000 a year and above. So make a million and pay 35%. Make 100 million pay 35% tax on your income.

The statement thrown out by politicians (that want to profit or gain an advantage with class warfare) aren't exactly truthful. They make the statement, letting us all assume, they are speaking of Personal Income tax. When in fact they are comparing someone making 50,000 a year and his personal income tax rate of 25% - to a rich persons earning's from Long Term Capital Gains that rate maxes out at 15%. So If you make a million and claim it for personal income tax you will pay 35%, but if you make the same million and claim it as Long Term Capital Gains, you pay 15%. Most rich people have investments in stocks, bonds, real estate that are all taxed as Capital Gains.

So let's at least not be sheeple.

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 3:48:54 PM
Gerry, I'm sorry--I didn't understand. So you're for a flat tax then? I'm still confused; I was not aware low-income people payed a higher percentage on their income than rich people.

I'm saying that the government should be funded by voluntary means; how we make that transition would be a complicated legal process, but that's ideally how it should be.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 3:15:44 PM

@ M Archer: Again you jump to an unstated conclusion because you can't defend your position. I did not, never have, and never will say to tax the rich more than other people.

Currently, they pay a lower percentage than others. Tax them the same, that's my stand.

As for having, or not having, a right to say who pays how much in taxes.... What are you doing?

Revenuer....tax thyself!

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 2:54:47 PM
Madest, you managed to use ad hominem, argument from intimidation, argument from dismissal fallacies and came off as incredibly patronizing in under fifty words.

I'll let that speak for itself.

Oystah
Female, 40-49, Eastern US
 3882 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 1:26:39 PM
I wish he would stand up there and tell everyone to stop being such pussies and get real about their own personal situation and strive to better their own lives and circumstances.

But he'll probably just toss out some more free sh*t because no one will settle for anything less than their dream job, and will continue to not help themselves and be more and more dependent.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 1:05:02 PM
M Archer you're clearly too naiive to understand the unfair tax structure that the wealthy have formed with paid lobbyists. Go enjoy your dual citizenship. Live in your oasis of free healthcare and criticize America's tax structure. You have 1/2 that right anyway.

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 12:55:40 PM
@Gerry1of1: Double-standard much? Why is it ok for the upper class to deal with the heavy tax burden, but not the lower class? If your response is, "because they make more money", then you DO think we should penalize rich people for being successful.

But on a fundamental moral issue, it's THEIR money; you have no right saying who should be paying what at what percentage.

M_Archer
Male, 18-29, Canada
 529 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 12:53:41 PM
@Baalthazaq: "Equal opportunity?" Keep in mind, the root of money is man's mind i.e. man cannot create wealth without his mind. Metaphysically, men are not equal: some are stronger, some are better looking, some are smarter. This is why your egalitarian argument fails (i.e. your "equalize opportunity" argument). By the same logic, airlines should be forced to let retarded pilots fly planes and universities should be forced to accept all students regardless of test scores.

You advocate defying nature and the Law of Causality by sacrificing the talent and ability of those who have it to those who don't. You advocate a society where all men are forced into mediocrity-that disgusts me.

Also: "Their wealth is not being taken away"--what do you think taxes are? If Gerry1of1 is right, the rich pay 80% of the nation's taxes; their money is being taken away. It used to be theirs--now it's not. That's "taking away."


Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24516 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 12:17:09 PM
Well at least the post was done. Pity about time difference

Lukgeezy
Male, 18-29, Western US
 609 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 12:02:14 PM
@oystah agreed..

Oystah
Female, 40-49, Eastern US
 3882 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 11:53:04 AM
I am fascinated by the joblessness in our country. My company is ALWAYS and I mean always looking for full-time help and I can't tell you how many people come in here and want to only work certain hours, certain days of the week, need every other Wednesday off, have to leave early every Tuesday and Friday, call in sick at least once a week, blah-dee-blah-blah. It's insanity. There's no work ethic anymore.

DJDoubleb
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 381 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 10:44:18 AM
Amen Gerry!

fancylad
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2523 Posts
Friday, September 09, 2011 10:42:08 AM
I'm not too crazy about extending a person's unemployment wage after X amount of months if they haven't found a job. I know a couple of people who do the bare minimum on the job hunt because they know the unemployment checks are going to keep coming.

The fear of no more unemployment checks after a certain amount of months is a good motivator to find a job.

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