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Raw Video Of Girl Drawing A Gun On A School Bus

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cityncolour
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 379 Posts
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:23:40 PM
every time.

dannyseven
Male, 18-29, Western US
 71 Posts
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:20:43 PM
The Swiss still practice mandatory militia service, and every able-bodied man between 20 and 30 owns a fully automatic assault rifle. Compare their gun homicide rate to ours.

You are f*cking retarded!

THE SWISS SERVE MANDATORY F*CKING TIME IN THE MILITARY.



How does that make me retarded? Switzerland's "military" doesn't involve itself in foreign wars, so under most definitions, it's a militia - not a military.

Way to cherry-pick points and then try them with your dumb f*cking arguments. You're outclassed here, bud. Go watch some anime.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Wednesday, September 07, 2011 7:58:54 AM
@Altaru

Wow nice try dancing around my point. You said..
It was also a time period where people didn't have much need to defend themselves because there wasn't the constant threat of being mugged in the streets.

So I brought up what's called the "Wild West" which is the oppostite of what you said above and was resolved by armed citizens enforcing the law. The Native American genocide was done by the Army and not armed citizens it had absolutly nothing to do with this.

You sound like you're a liberal fascist meaning you want everyone to have "rights" except for the ones you don't agree with on your "perfect" world.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:50:02 PM
I do you seem to think most places don't. Look for yourself the list is too long to post. To carry conceled it's pretty much standard to require some sort of license..

See that?

See that? To carry CONCEALED, you dumbass.

And the majority have no laws or license involved to open carry.

Which means you can carry a gun, just don't wear a jacket that'll cover it up. You STILL don't need a license, unlike to drive.

Nine times out of ten the gun was bought legally by a friend of the criminal and then had the serial number filed off.

All the more reason to make it harder for the people to buy the gun. Then you kill two birds with one stone: prevent stupid people from getting it stolen and smart criminals from buying one and filing it down.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:36:27 PM
Ya I guess the west was won with gun control...oh wait nope.

The take over of the west went against most of the founding concepts of America in the first place.

We fought against hostile controlling forces that wanted to take everything from us and give us nothing fair in return during the American Revolution.

We fought for freedoms, the right to what keep what we earned, and to not have to submit to the will of anyone but ourselves.

We then proceeded to steal everything from the natives and force them to submit to our will, exactly like the English were doing to us.

But, of course, it was all okay because the natives weren't white.

If anything, what you just brought up was a counter-example, because it shows that guns were used for the hostile and violent take-over of native people's territory.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:17:58 PM
The Swiss still practice mandatory militia service, and every able-bodied man between 20 and 30 owns a fully automatic assault rifle. Compare their gun homicide rate to ours.

You are f*cking retarded!

THE SWISS SERVE MANDATORY F*CKING TIME IN THE MILITARY.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE TRAINED WITH THAT ASSAULT RIFLE, not just given one and told to defend themselves with it.

On top of that, Switzerland also has a higher ranking than places like GB, Germany, or Australia, all of which have much stricter control over firearms.

dannyseven
Male, 18-29, Western US
 71 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 6:40:22 PM
If you are an adult citizen between the ages of 18 and 45, you are already part of the militia (as it was defined when the amendment was written). As a de facto member of the militia, it is your constitutional right to own a gun (and for many years after, it was your legal obligation).

The Swiss still practice mandatory militia service, and every able-bodied man between 20 and 30 owns a fully automatic assault rifle. Compare their gun homicide rate to ours.

Guns aren't the problem. Selfish, irresponsible, violent people are the problem. And unfortunately, we seem to have a high number of those people in this country. Blame bad parenting, blame popular culture, blame ignorance or drug use or social disparity, but don't blame guns.

You're vilifying inanimate objects that, incidentally, are a LOT of fun when used in a responsible, non-violent way. I love target shooting, but I'd glady give my wallet to someone rather than shoot them over it. Life is always more

dannyseven
Male, 18-29, Western US
 71 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 6:30:56 PM
The amendment was NOT added for "self-defense," it was added to defend freedoms ... as well as hunting.


Hunting? Funny, I don't see hunting mentioned anywhere in the Bill of Rights.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

You're afraid of guns, when you're twice as likely to die from a vehicle than you are from a handgun, and much more likely to be injured. Yet you're not afraid of cars.

Guns scare people that don't know about guns.

dannyseven
Male, 18-29, Western US
 71 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 5:43:58 PM
@Altaru:
Nine times out of ten the gun was probably stolen from some idiot legal owner who didn't take proper care of his weapons.


That's a ridiculous figure you pulled out of your ass. Nine times out of ten the gun was bought legally by a friend of the criminal and then had the serial number filed off. It's not hard to buy a gun, and if you ban handguns, you'll just see shotgun homicides increase. If you ban shotguns, you'll see knife homicides increase. If people want to kill people, they're going to do it.

In this little idiot's case, someone should have taken that pistol out of her hand and beat the living hell out of her with it. As it is, she's committed a Class I felony and won't be out on the street any time soon.

On another note, assault rifles don't automatically trump handguns. Despite what you might see at the movies, assault rifles are not easy to manipulate in close quarters.

If you'd ever handled a gun you might know

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:30:41 PM
It's good to know the laws you complain about first Altaru you don't.

The ones that are produced and sold directly into the black market could be kept out by stricter border control, but those in general aren't handguns like in this case. Those are assault rifles and the like that would put your self-defense handgun to shame, meaning that the minute you pull the handgun to protect yourself you escalate the situation, get yourself killed, and put everyone else in the situation in danger.



Lol you seem to think that we haven't already tried to get other countries to stop smuggling arms. This logic also means you consider all armed officers a threat to public saftey following your logic.

It was also a time period where people didn't have much need to defend themselves because there wasn't the constant threat of being mugged in the streets.



Ya I guess the west was won with gun control...oh wait nope.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:15:10 PM
@Altaru

hmmm so owning a gun is a threat to everyone around you so they're bad but when you get on the autobahn or such you should be aware you're risking your life and that's ok.

[quote">So why don't you need a license to own a gun? [/quote">

I do you seem to think most places don't. Look for yourself the list is too long to post. To carry conceled it's pretty much standard to require some sort of license..
List of requirements to carry.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:02:32 PM
Our Founding Fathers, great men as they were, were neither perfect, nor clairvoyant, despite the beliefs of morons like you.

They clearly couldn't predict what promoting a gun culture, the advancement of gun technology, and that "one-man army" feeling would lead to.

And as for the black market, where do you think they get half their stuff? They're stolen from stupid people who didn't know how to properly protect their weapons. Which they could obtain because of their right to own a weapon.

The ones that are produced and sold directly into the black market could be kept out by stricter border control, but those in general aren't handguns like in this case. Those are assault rifles and the like that would put your self-defense handgun to shame, meaning that the minute you pull the handgun to protect yourself you escalate the situation, get yourself killed, and put everyone else in the situation in danger.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:51:11 AM
You really have no clue as to why it was written on there to begin with do you.

Yes, actually. For a few reasons:

A) At the time, there was a looming threat that a larger country could come in and attempt a hostile take-over of the young, undeveloped USA. If the citizens were armed, they could attempt to form a militia and attempt to hold off such an assault.

B) They were also afraid of groups attempting to take over the government and forming a totalitarian USA. See above.

The amendment was NOT added for "self-defense," it was added to defend freedoms and the country from external invaders or internal take-overs, as well as hunting.

It was also a time period where people didn't have much need to defend themselves because there wasn't the constant threat of being mugged in the streets.

The unintended side effect was a flourishing gun-culture that has created the "need" to be armed in this society.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 11:39:14 AM
No not really the ability in marked areas to go as fast as you want would be a threat to your own and others saftey would it not?

That's a threat to your own safety and the safety of those who MAKE THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO DRIVE ON THOSE SECTIONS OF ROAD.

They WILLINGLY TAKE THEIR LIFE IN THEIR OWN HANDS.

There is an acknowledged threat that you take into account when you get on one of those roads.

Having a gun is a threat to everyone in the area, not just you and other people with guns. Innocent bystanders shouldn't have to take their life in their hands just to leave their house.

The better analogy is driving period. You need a license to drive a car because the minute you start it, you're a threat to yourself and others.

So why don't you need a license to own a gun? (with the exception of a few states)

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:15:46 AM
@Altaru

No not really the ability in marked areas to go as fast as you want would be a threat to your own and others saftey would it not?? As for licensing please tell me why the states with the strictest laws have the highest crime rates? Criminals don't obey laws if you ban them outright you've just given the black market a small countries worth of business oportunity and sowed the seed for a potental revolution.

but for some reason that piece of paper doesn't give other people the right not to deal with YOUR bullsh*t or suffer because of YOUR problems...


You really have no clue as to why it was written on there to begin with do you. You're a great reason to own guns.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:41:23 AM
I'm sure more laws would've helped with something that wasn't legal to beging with.

Nine times out of ten the gun was probably stolen from some idiot legal owner who didn't take proper care of his weapons.

Keep weapons out of those people's hands, you remove the opportunity for them to be stolen and get onto the streets to be used illegally.

We need both "Parent Control" and "General Moron with Weaponry" control if we want to solve that problem.

But, of course, no one in America is going to give up their right to be a dumbass and end up taking other people down with them in the process, now are they?

That's my biggest problem with America. You may have "rights" according to a piece of paper written some 200 years ago, but for some reason that piece of paper doesn't give other people the right not to deal with YOUR bullsh*t or suffer because of YOUR problems...

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:34:03 AM
Never see them critize the point and saftey of no speed limits on the autobahn do you?

Bad analogy.

A) There are limits on sections of the autobahn that see heavy usage or construction, and limits on specific vehicle types. There are also "suggested" speeds in other sections.

B) The autobahns in general actually have a pretty good track-record in terms of accidents and fatalities, comparable too and in some cases even BETTER than neighboring countries and, indeed, the US. Guns in general... Don't have a good track record at all. Especially when you compare places with strict control to places without.

C) You need a license to drive a vehicle. It's (comparatively, especially to the US) difficult to obtain a license in Germany in the first place. You DON'T need a license to obtain a gun throughout most of the US. It's not that hard to get a gun, even for some idiot with a death wish.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:14:16 AM
@dannyseven

Don't bother Europeans only want things their way. Their laws are best and they know what's best for everyone. Never see them critize the point and saftey of no speed limits on the autobahn do you?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:09:57 AM
Yep scapegoat the gun I'm sure more laws would've helped with something that wasn't legal to beging with. How about instead of banning guns cause you don't like them enact some "Parent Control" laws and get to the source of the problem.

dannyseven
Male, 18-29, Western US
 71 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:32:47 AM
@almightybob1 The gun is a tool designed explicitly with the sole purpose of killing.


Bob, tools can be re-purposed.

Of course guns are designed to kill, just like katanas were designed to kill.

What percentage of katana owners bought their swords with the intent of slicing someone else open? What percent will ever brandish them at someome else? Maybe a fraction of a percent (and those few have mental issues that need to be addressed). The rest bought them because they're nerds. They're nerdy about ninjas or anime or just wanted to look cool - either way, they bought those killing tools for fun.

The same goes for guns. Most gun owners are gun nerds, and while we have the tools to kill, we bought our guns for hunting watermelons or shooting clay pigeons.

I'm guessing you've never shot a gun before. If you ever get the chance, do it. They'll seem a lot less scary to you once you know their limitations in untrained hands.

dannyseven
Male, 18-29, Western US
 71 Posts
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 1:22:10 AM
@herohair1978

I didn't buy my AK-47 to protect myself from other gun-carrying people, I bought it for the same reason 15-year-olds buy airsoft pistols - it's fun to shoot guns.

I've got an assault rifle, a revolver, and a shotgun in my house, and if someone breaks in in the middle of the night, my first instinct is still going to be to grab my girl, climb out the window, and call the cops.

If it's impossible to leave and my life or my family's life is threatened, then of course I'm going to use any force required to stop the threat. If I didn't own a gun, I'd use a crowbar or a knife

In my opinion, too many on the pro-gun side argue that they need their guns for self defense. Sure, it's a better weapon than a baseball bat, but 9 times out of 10, you're better off leaving.

Too many on the anti-gun side are worried about gun crime. If it wasn't guns, it'd be knives and blunt objects. Guns aren't the problem. Desperate, selfish, erratic, and v

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Monday, September 05, 2011 4:37:48 PM
God I hope that was a joke otherwise you have topped the leaderboards for most stupid comment on the web

Yes, it was sarcasm, because "if Virginia Tech wasn't a no-gun zone this wouldn't have happened" was an argument put forward by the pro-gun lobby at the time. Arm the other students, and it would all be fine.

What you said is a lot like saying "air bags are designed for the sole purpose of blowing up in someone's face". This is incorrect. Their primary function is to never be deployed. Their secondary function is to be deployed.

No, their function is to deploy and save a person's life. If they are never needed, great. But that's what they're designed for.
You hope they never get used, but you don't design for that. You design for when they ARE used.

No, their purpose is to propel a pellet at high velocity.

Yes, and the A-bomb's purpose is simply nuclear fission. Come on Jerry.

apedrana
Male, 18-29, Australia
 141 Posts
Monday, September 05, 2011 4:08:52 PM
Cuppsworth: you just didn't compare the US to the Swiss?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Monday, September 05, 2011 3:49:45 PM

Cuppsworth
"Anyone who thinks we need less exposure to guns, just look at the Swiss."

The Swiss?
Are you saying their cheeze got all shot up?
I don't get it.

Cuppsworth
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 58 Posts
Monday, September 05, 2011 3:18:48 PM
I feel that people kids in high school need to be taught that guns are dangerous, and how to handle one. As well as create a respect for the firearm. Keep in mind that I am VERY pro gun.

Anyone who thinks we need less exposure to guns, just look at the Swiss.

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