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Penn Jillette, Pier's Morgan talking atheism

Hits: 12219 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: username3415
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magoo22
Male, 30-39, Australia
 663 Posts
Tuesday, August 23, 2011 6:03:39 AM
Piers Morgan likes to talk over the top of his guests.

fgreatwest
Male, 30-39, Western US
 102 Posts
Monday, August 22, 2011 8:05:43 PM
There are only two things I know for certain: You can't prove that God exists. You can't prove God doesn't exist.

So let's all kill each other and let God sort it out.

cloud7zero
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 102 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:46:13 PM
you cant prove there is no god Penn Jillette, so therefore you cant write a book about it, so says Piers Morgan

kittehdee29
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 803 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:11:43 PM
...when did Piers Morgan get a talk show?

Spaztazoid
Female, 18-29, Canada
 152 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 1:47:30 PM
Is there an "I don't give a duck" religion?

barrooo
Male, 30-39, Europe
 404 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:10:54 AM
Piers Morgan is a mean person, please don't send him back. That is all.

Zieveraar
Male, 30-39, Europe
 397 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:48:35 AM
That wasn't an interview, not even a talk, just Piers Morgan spouting out aggressive oneliners.

SvampeBob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 3088 Posts
Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:35:33 AM
sorry for the big picture

username3415
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 360 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:04:18 PM
@SCfan i was drunk when i submitted this but i was thinking of the 1890 thing and Piers calling something that we can't understand, "God". Those were the two I picked out.

Lord_Jereth
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 591 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:44:50 PM
"Can you effectively ban people from believing in him because you feel it inconveniences you? No. "

Nice attempt at vilification on your part but, as usual, this assertion doesn't hold water. I never said anything about banning religion or impinging on your or anyone else's right to worship who or what you please. To the contrary, I served to ensure that right. But never forget that your freedom of religion is also my freedom FROM religion. I don't have to entertain your delusion nor respect it. And, until you prove otherwise, that is how I view religion: a socially acceptable delusion. that is my opinion and I have the right to it, also.

LJ

Lord_Jereth
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 591 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:54:38 PM
"Clearly, you have a unique view if you think we, America, have ever, EVER been at war to protect christianity."

Does that mean that it has never happened in the past in other countries? Do the Crusades or Inquisition mean anything to you? Have you so soon forgotten Serbia Or Northern Ireland? Clearly, you have a unique view if you have chosen to forget Christianity's own sins.

But whether or not Christianity, which is not the only religion on earth that has ever existed, has ever been the cause of war in the U.S. is not the real question. I find it telling that you chose to ignore and attempt to deflect the entirety of my message by concentrating on one little point. Again I ask, if I couldn't prove the existence of my unicorn and yet I asked all these things of you wouldn't you want proof?.

It's not about inconvenience. It's about asking me to buy, literally, into your delusion before you prove its reality.

LJ

EthanCoker
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 52 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:31:14 PM
Clearly, you have a unique view if you think we, America, have ever, EVER been at war to protect christianity. Science is based on assuming things will continue to operate based on the guidelines we observe. Since you can't do that with a person, as is opposed to a unicorn in a cage, it's a very different situation. Can we prove God is real? Not to you. Can you effectively ban people from believing in him because you feel it inconveniences you? No.

Lord_Jereth
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 591 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:47:43 PM
"You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You do need evidence to prove something does exist.

However, Just because one has no evidence to support an existence does not necessarily mean that it doesn't exist."

Gotta love that circular logic. It is the responsibility of the one making the claim that something exists to be able prove that claim. That's just common sense.

Example:

Let's say I make the claim that I have a purple unicorn captive and living in a cage in my back yard and that you need to give me 10% of your earnings for its upkeep. Further, if I suggest that the government can't tax that 10%, that they need to send your children to war to defend my unicorn and that everyone must worship it and give it unquestioning respect, socially, wouldn't you want me to prove its existence?

... and if I wouldn't - or couldn't - produce that proof, would you still go along with it?

LJ

hwkiller
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 495 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:29:50 PM
@Ultimakewl,
You're sorta right. You don't need evidence to prove something doesn't exist. You do need evidence to prove something does exist.

However, Just because one has no evidence to support an existence does not necessarily mean that it doesn't exist.

The problem is, one cannot effectively prove the existence of a metaphysical anything through the scientific method. You can't observe it. You can't make any valid predictions about it. You can't test the hypotheses.
You're left with no evidence to support the existence of the metaphysical... but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
What it *does* mean is that one cannot assume that it *does* exist in the scientific endeavor. But one also cannot assume that it *doesn't* exist in the scientific endeavor, because no one knows for sure.

SCfan
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 1818 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:25:46 PM
So, what points did he make?

The_Garuness
Male, 18-29, Europe
 917 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:51:53 PM
Lord_Jereth's logic is quite scary, yet accurate.

stardoggy
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 22 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:41:19 PM
It's okay to not know and admit it. Just because we can conceive a question doesn't mean the answer is knowable.

terracottus
Male, 30-39, Europe
 278 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 3:27:44 PM
Oh IAB, you are always so cute when it comes to religion <3 <3 <3

kangoala
Male, 18-29, Australia
 687 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 1:05:28 PM
@Lord Jereth,

Well done. That is the most sense I've ever seen in a religion thread on this forum.

My hat goes off to you good sir.

Lord_Jereth
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 591 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:54:18 AM
Religious folks,

If you're a Christian you're an atheist in regards to Allah. If you're a Jew you're an atheist in regards to the Buddha. If you're a Zoroastrian you're an atheist in regards to Yahweh.

Here is your ultimate truth:

We are, you and I both, atheists. Bare with me, here.

---------
a·the·ist
   [ey-thee-ist]
noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
---------

We rationalists/atheists/anti-theists simply believe in one less deity than you do.

Welcome to the club.

LJ

darthtomale
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 9:56:43 AM
I am always baffled by theists who say that they believe in god because god easily explains creation or death. Because any number of equally ridiculous explanations does the job easily. Just because its an explanation doesnt mean its the explanation.

kittyloaf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 217 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:45:28 AM
Ive recently decided to stop believing in God at all for a very simple reason: There is not verifiable evidence he exists at all. I dont want to believe in something if there is no reason to believe in it, and no evidence that thing exists

kittyloaf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 217 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:38:15 AM
Pier: I cant know anything about God, he is beyond our comprehension

BUT! Here is a list of things I know about him

wtf?

Also why cant we replace the beliefs in God with nothing? I dont know is a very good answer to such questions on origin and such

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1245 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:19:07 AM
So stupid to even argue this matter. Nobody will ever win, there is no point. Just everyone shut up and believe what you want.

Sachi001
Male, 30-39, Asia
 598 Posts
Saturday, August 20, 2011 7:03:39 AM
Nothing except for the once in awhile religious nutjob that might kill you for being the spawn of satan.

Go speak your mind in the streets of Saudi Arabia and see if you come out alive.

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