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Atheists [PIC]

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ohthedrama
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 162 Posts
Monday, August 22, 2011 3:01:33 PM
yeah... I find atheists pretty damn annoying these days too.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:27:17 AM
But then in what way is it a deity?

It's a really crappy deity, that's what! It's a "god" by default. Not all Deist theory would agree with me, afaik most Deists are mon-theistic. It's not like were organized or anything.
If it were proven that God didn't exists I guess we'd all be Atheists, eh? Of course it wouldn't matter...
I think we'll all learn the truth about 10 minutes after we die.

Send me your e-mail plz and if I don't hear from Fancylad in a couple days I'll send my complaint your way.
It's on the "Obama and TEa PArty" thread, I honestly would not tolerate that much abuse from anyone, but for a Mod it's doubly bad.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:36:02 AM
When we "Contact I Am Bored" on the link at the bottom of the page, who gets to read it?

To the best of my knowledge it redirects those messages to fancylad. There's certainly nowhere on the backend that I can see where such messages appear to the moderating team.

If you want I can email you directly at the email address you signed up to IAB with and we can discuss any issues there.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:32:37 AM
I'm not an atheist - very different!
Deists believe there is a Creator who made the whole universe.


OK, that much I knew about deists. I'm just confused by this next part:

Now I personally allow that the BB might be the actual "creator" and therefor might be "God". Since we humans don't know Who or What made this place, it's ALL speculation.

So you allow that the Big Bang might have created the universe. But then in what way is it a deity? If that does turn out to be true (although at what point you'll accept the evidence that shows the universe WAS created by a Big Bang event is another thing) and you then accept it was a Big Bang, in what way will you be a deist?

The Big Bang is not a conscious entity. It gives life no meaning. It's not a higher power, it has no "plan".
Therefore if you ever do decide to accept the evidence that supports it, surely you will then be reverting to atheism?

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:28:44 AM
BB + evolution: it's all a big accident, life has no meaning, when you die that's it! Game over.
God + evolution: it's part of a plan, your life (hopefully) has meaning, when you die your soul continues.


Just because no higher power created us doesn't mean life is empty or without meaning. But yes, when you die that's it. Game over. So make this one count and enjoy it.

I'll take... G+E for the win!

That's fine. If you're comfortable making the choice based on what you want to believe or what you want to be true, rather than what the evidence suggests, go for it.
I want my beliefs to be based on truth as much as possible, and the most reliable way of finding truth that exists is the scientific process. And it tells me the universe was created by a Big Bang event 13.7 billion years ago.

MrLill
Male, 18-29, Western US
 362 Posts
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:32:48 PM
How do you guys explain in Hinduism Brahman? the entity that is Brahman is a god to many.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:46:54 PM
A side question @almightybob1 (and any Mod except @madest and @Baalth)

When we "Contact I Am Bored" on the link at the bottom of the page, who gets to read it?

I have SERIOUS grievances with a certain Mod (ok, it's @madest) and don't want him deleting my complaints. YEah plural, it's that bad.

http://tinyurl.com/3v3owxw

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:43:36 PM
HAHAHA! You "bit" on the pussycat/evolution hook!
Now to reel in an @almaightybob1, he'll look great over the fireplace!

BB + evolution: it's all a big accident, life has no meaning, when you die that's it! Game over.
God + evolution: it's part of a plan, your life (hopefully) has meaning, when you die your soul continues.

I'll take... G+E for the win!

I'm not an atheist - very different!
Deists believe there is a Creator who made the whole universe. Now I personally allow that the BB might be the actual "creator" and therefor might be "God". Since we humans don't know Who or What made this place, it's ALL speculation.

So there is a God, but we have no idea Who or What he/she/it/them is.

Hope you're still reading this thread eh? Sorry for the delay in reply, had to work and stuff

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:52:01 AM
Size matters.

No it doesn't. (And it's not the way you use it either.)

If 100 people, 100 million people or indeed every single living person thought the earth was flat, it would not make it true. Things exist or do not, and what people think about them does not affect that.

Y'all can pray to the BB, I'm a Deist

By your definitions (Big Bang = God) I really don't see any difference between you and an atheist. In what way do you consider the origin of the universe a deity?

The BB requires you to believe that living things come from random molecules. Hydrogen formed stars, which blew up, which made heavier elements: over and over again, for zillions of years. And then turned into pussycats! Lucky break eh!?!

Actually, the pussycats part is the theory of evolution, not the Big Bang theory. But yes, that is what I believe.

If you keep adding grains of sand to a pile, eventually you get a mountain

Reganom
Male, 18-29, Europe
 505 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 11:14:17 PM
You can find 4-5 billion folks who believe that? Size matters. (5 billion if you include the Hindus and various Polytheists, eh?)


Appealing to the majority. I could find a lot of people believing that meat is awesome, but they differ on which meat, and in each meat group they all differ on what the best way to cook it is. Then there are the few that don't eat meat. Does that mean they're wrong because more people do?


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:37:15 PM
it's PROVEN that Earth is run by aliens

You can find 4-5 billion folks who believe that? Size matters. (5 billion if you include the Hindus and various Polytheists, eh?)

Anyhow this is cross-posted. I offer an arguement, not 'proof' since proving the existance of God on the IAB forums would require... a miracle!


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:31:00 PM
vv Not really my forte @almightybob1, hopefully a real Christian (or Muslim, or Jew) will fill you in.

Y'all can pray to the BB, I'm a Deist

I wil toss one past you:
"All life comes from life"
The BB requires you to believe that living things come from random molecules. Hydrogen formed stars, which blew up, which made heavier elements: over and over again, for zillions of years. And then turned into pussycats! Lucky break eh!?!

And don't link that lame-o video of two guys mixing stuff and "creating life" it's... lame! And not alive.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:01:50 PM
In the mind of a Chrisian, or Muslim for that matter, God is PROVEN to exist every bit as much as the Big Bang is.


In the minds of some people, it's PROVEN that Earth is run by aliens in disguise or that you can run cars on tapwater with a magic device. Many things are PROVEN in the minds of some people. It doesn't mean anything. The evidence that matters is independently reproducible evidence. Proof is for maths.

Theists have hundreds of strong arguements, but atheists will never admit that!


Because it isn't true. If you think it is, feel free to state those hundreds of strong arguments. Or even just one.

They focus on the nonsense, paper tigers, strawmen & etc.


Because it's being presented as PROOF and it affects the world.

It is YOU who believe one side and discount the 'proof' offered by the other.


I don't do belief. I go on evidence.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:56:00 PM
I lost the link, but this year Britian is spending 100 billion pounds on windfarms, and 17 billion on natural gas electric plants. Each makes 23 GIGS of power. Why both? Because if the wind isn't blowing, they need the Gas ones to supply electricity.
The catch? When the Gas plants are on "idle" (ie when the wind IS blowing) they actually produce MORE polution than when they run full speed!
Thus: British taxpayers are forking over an extra 100 BILLION pounds to make MORE polution!
Faith!



Even if any of that is true (and no, I don't accept you as a reliable source), your claims that it's faith and that it disproves anthropogenic climate change are both ridiculous.

A government is wasting public money because they think it will get them votes. Is that really a surprise?

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:56:00 PM
Theists have hundreds of strong arguements

Please do tell me some. Because the only ones I get offered have been repeatedly rebutted so many times in the past that it's just tedious now.

It is YOU who believe one side and discount the 'proof' offered by the other.

See previous comments RE burden of proof. Offering proof is not enough, it has to actually stand up to scrutiny. If you have actual evidence (NB: personal experience, while potentially very compelling to the individual experiencing it, is not testable evidence) please do share. I would love to see some.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:50:31 PM
@almightybob1, you forget that I view God and the BB as one and the same, if either exists of course.

OK. So do you worship the Big Bang, or pray to it? In what way does it have the same status as what everyone else understands as the term "god"?

If we're saying "why did the Big Bang happen", then yes it is possible that some supernatural being triggered it.
There's just absolutely no evidence to support that.

Thus I apply the same rules to both: unlike theists or atheists who view the two as opposites, eh?

I do apply the same rule to both. It's called "burden of proof". One has passed the test, the other has failed.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:17:13 PM
How could anything expand that fast ?

Ah, good old argument from personal incredulity.

There's plenty of the details I don't understand. That doesn't mean the science isn't sound, or that the scientists don't know the answers to these questions.

Considering you are positing problems that were answered decades ago as if they are still problems with the current Big Bang theory, I would wager that neither of us is a trained physicist. This is why we have experts.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:57:15 PM
Furthermore:
In the mind of a Chrisian, or Muslim for that matter, God is PROVEN to exist every bit as much as the Big Bang is.
Theists have hundreds of strong arguements, but atheists will never admit that! They focus on the nonsense, paper tigers, strawmen & etc.

It is YOU who believe one side and discount the 'proof' offered by the other. YEah yeah Christians do it too _W_

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:54:16 PM
HERE you are @Angilion!
I submitted this too, hope it gets posted.

I lost the link, but this year Britian is spending 100 billion pounds on windfarms, and 17 billion on natural gas electric plants. Each makes 23 GIGS of power. Why both? Because if the wind isn't blowing, they need the Gas ones to supply electricity.
The catch? When the Gas plants are on "idle" (ie when the wind IS blowing) they actually produce MORE polution than when they run full speed!
Thus: British taxpayers are forking over an extra 100 BILLION pounds to make MORE polution!
Faith!

@almightybob1, you forget that I view God and the BB as one and the same, if either exists of course Thus I apply the same rules to both: unlike theists or atheists who view the two as opposites, eh?

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:35:17 PM
So the BB theory grows and changes to suit new evidence? Good! So how do you know MORE new evidence won't come along and change it further?

I don't. And it probably will. Not by much - it's not going to go back to steady state or anything, not without a monumental amount of evidence which completely trashes things like the COBE mission - but details of it will be refined and changed as new evidence comes out, yes.

How do you know the changes weren't mistakes? Faith.

If you call trusting a process of gathering evidence, evaluating it, drawing conclusions and repeating "faith", then as I said earlier you have skewed the definition beyond recognition and we then need a new word to describe religious belief, because that is not equivalent.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:19:56 PM
So take your pick, Break every rule and believe the big bang, or only break a few and believe in God.


That is the funniest thing I've seen on the net this week. Well done!

kamtschatka
Male, 18-29, Europe
 42 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:17:37 PM
@CrakrJak: The Hubble constant (velocity of the expansion of the universe) is around 75km/s.
the speed of light is around 300000km/s, so it is expanding slower than the speed of light...

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:17:32 PM
Look at AGW: so many people believed what they initially said, governments around the world have spent TRILLIONS of dollars based on it. BUT it has turned out that most of their "data" was cherry-picked or outright FAKED. Also many of their "fcts" have proven incorrect. Yet people (like @davymid) still believe in AGW although they've changed the name to hide thier faith in AGW's doctrine.


That's a lovely conspiracy theory.

Unsurprisingly, it's bollocks. Like almost all conspiracy theories. Which shouldn't really be called theories at all, obviously.

That rather undermines any point you might have regarding the big bang theory.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17159 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:40:05 AM
almightybob: Therein lies the problems Bob, How could anything expand that fast ? Inflation theory says the universe expanded incredibly faster than the speed of light and that's just too hard to believe. BB theory has to break every rule of physics in order to even exist.

Atheists claim that God would've had to break laws of physics in order to create the universe as well, according to the Genesis creation story.

So take your pick, Break every rule and believe the big bang, or only break a few and believe in God.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25716 Posts
Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:49:54 AM
@Angilion Randi said that in a lecture, iirc it was about skepticism. The Amazing Randi is a genius!

So the BB theory grows and changes to suit new evidence? Good! So how do you know MORE new evidence won't come along and change it further? How do you know the changes weren't mistakes? Faith.

Look at AGW: so many people believed what they initially said, governments around the world have spent TRILLIONS of dollars based on it. BUT it has turned out that most of their "data" was cherry-picked or outright FAKED. Also many of their "fcts" have proven incorrect. Yet people (like @davymid) still believe in AGW although they've changed the name to hide thier faith in AGW's doctrine.

Nothing wrong with BB theory, I'm not saying it isn't true. I AM saying it took 200K years for light to exist, so we're just guessing, really, about it. Educated guesses for certain! But still.

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