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Matt Damon Defends Teachers Against Dumb Reporters

Hits: 14278 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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Errand_boy
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 623 Posts
Monday, August 08, 2011 2:57:17 AM
People should stick with what they're good at, not multi-task.

bigkkm
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 98 Posts
Friday, August 05, 2011 9:58:16 AM
Good on Matt! These "reason" folks like to chop up their interviews and as Matt pointed out, come in with a preconceived point of view and won't budge even when confronted with facts.
In the uncut version, the reporter "knows" all about how hard it is to fire a teacher with tenure because she was a student.
Morons.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Friday, August 05, 2011 8:57:19 AM
Random3

"...the cost of living in California is TRIPLE of what it is in most states. a house worth $150,000 in Ohio is worth anywhere from $250,000 to $450,000 in California"

Wow, and your mother is a teacher? Yet you clearly failed both English and maths, since your grammar is terrible ("triple of") and you appear to think 350k is three times 150k. That is not even mentioning the idiocy of thinking that housing (cannot be transported, so tends to have high regional variation) is every part of cost of living.

Should I also mention that Senate Bill 5 is not going to do anything like what you claim, so either you write about things you don't understand or you are lying? Should I also mention that everything you say suggests your mother just lives beyond her means, and I can't see why taxpayers should pay for that?

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Friday, August 05, 2011 8:49:33 AM
Altaru - that is an argument for not requiring teachers to hold a degree. It is an argument against people going into teaching who don't think it is worth the degree. It is not an argument that teachers are hard done by.

Remember that teaching degrees are some of the easiest to get high grades, are taken by people with some of the lowest educational attainment/potential of those taking degrees, and lead to some of the most secure jobs, with pay actually rather high, when advantages are taken into account (hours, time off, ability to work same hours as children and have same holidays and most of all the job security).

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Friday, August 05, 2011 8:44:43 AM
P.S. Classic example - the "sh*tty" pay of teachers is slightly higher on average than the average US total household income. That is despite around a quarter of the year taken as holiday.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Friday, August 05, 2011 8:42:56 AM
You mean, of course, that Matt Damon proved dumb trying to defend a tiny minority of teachers who are greedy and self-righteous from reporters far better informed than the idiot himself.

SunnyNphilly
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 645 Posts
Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:55:23 PM
how do you like them apples?

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Thursday, August 04, 2011 7:44:37 AM
LMAO, almost every teacher drives a new car, pooty salary? Not compared to most people and jobs they don't, compared to Doctors their salary is poo, but the not the rest of us.

Tobunshi
Male, 18-29, Europe
 681 Posts
Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:59:36 AM
It's funny that it cuts off right when he's calling him a pooty camera-man.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14431 Posts
Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40:01 AM
"What is up with conservative's consistent attacks on teachers and education? I don't get it? I can understand if you guys are just parroting cable news but it seams to be deeper than that. What the H?"

Oh, I don't know, maybe it's because of crap like this?

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:55:04 PM
What is up with conservative's consistent attacks on teachers and education? I don't get it? I can understand if you guys are just parroting cable news but it seams to be deeper than that. What the H?

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:17:17 PM
Starting salary for an Army 2nd Lt. is $33,408. Which requires a college degree and the pleasantness of getting shot at.

Yeah, but then the Army also pays a lot of expenses and has allowances as well as tax advantages, etc., ESPECIALLY for an officer.

It may not be counted in their salary, but to discount all that money that they DON'T have to spend compared to a teacher is ignorant.

number43
Male, 70 & Over, Asia
 765 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 3:06:34 PM
@Altura,
I had typed a very long and detailed counter for your flawed statements. But alas it exceeded the 1000 character restriction. Perhaps this statement will suffice in itself:

Starting salary for an Army 2nd Lt. is $33,408. Which requires a college degree and the pleasantness of getting shot at.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:18:03 PM

@ Altaru - "How well do you know this couple? "

Lived next door for 10 years. They were just regular homeowners. They purchesed the 2 condo's from their teachers salaries in the time I've known them. Teaching has been the sole incomes. Like any couple they have kids-2 of them. Normal people... and nice.

I like them. Dedicated to their careers. But still, they cry like all the rest about how teachers get a raw deal. They don't get a lot of sympathy from me.

honkeylips
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1570 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:26:14 AM
papers and getting ready for the next day. There are also the extra curricular activities which you are expected to do. That takes up another 15-20 hours a week.
I don't think I make too much. I don't think I make too little either. I am happy with what I make right now. I am happy with my job and I love doing it. I will continue to do it and I won't complain about the pay one bit. I will complain about the people that say test scores are bad and place all of the blame on teachers. When I assign homework I put a notice online which, in theory parents check, and then they tell their children to do said homework. Theory and practice are two totally separate animals. I give the students the information and I give them the work they need to do to make sure the information sticks. Parents need to be parents and make sure their children do this work. I can't be responsible for them 24 hours a day. I will take them and do all I can for 8 hours, but the rest is up to you parents. end ran

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:24:49 AM
My neighbors are both teachers in the public school system. They own their home and 2 condo's they use as rental properties.

Also, I'm amazed it's taken me this long to get to this point...

How well do you know this couple? Do you know, for a fact, that they used their teaching salaries to buy these two condos, or is it possible that they already owned the condos and teaching is just a side-job for them?

I know more than one person who owns rental properties and works a job with crappy pay just because they enjoy it. In fact, I know a man who owns an entire neighborhood of houses, and runs a little video game store that barely breaks even as his side-job, just because he likes being surrounded by games.

I also know someone who relied on the income from his rental properties and went belly-up. Which shows that it's stupid to rely on them alone, which your neighbors probably realize.

honkeylips
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1570 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:19:55 AM
I'm a high school science teacher so this holds a special place in my heart. I can tell you that I had to take all of the same classes as the pre-med kids and in fact I had to take calc. based physics where as the pre-med kids didn't need calc. based. I have to continue my education to the point that I can't anymore so either a PhD or principal certification. I will earn half as much as all the pre-med kids and I'm fine with that because I love seeing the faces of the kids when they "get it."
I am getting my room ready right now, and yes I get my room ready not the custodial staff; they just clean it for me. I am making powerpoints right now and refining some of my less successful lessons (learn from your mistakes people). In the real world I get about a month off at best, but I don't think its that much. I will make a grand total of $31,000 this year. I've already spent about $500-600 on classroom necessities even before the year started. I usually work about 10 hours a

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:08:39 AM
Parochial schools get results because of strict discipline, uniforms, and teachers that care, even when that students parents are morons.

Parochial schools achieve success because the parents are forcing the kid into it and paying their ride, so the parent is going to make sure the kid gets the education they paid for. On top of that, most kids who go to Parochial schools have been raised with the ideals in mind that are enforced within the school to begin with. See: Parents.

Also, private schools are allowed to kick out trouble-makers, which naturally makes them look better since they can weed out the bad ones.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:05:13 AM
So are you telling me that Teachers have more expenses than other people because of their jobs?

As a matter of fact, YES, they do, seeing as teachers HAVE to go to college. I said before, most other "public servant" jobs require a high-school diploma and some on-the-job training. That's it.

A teacher is required to have completed a certain amount of time in college, which means loans and other higher-education related expenses. Also, if they further pursue their education by getting a Master's, then that means even MORE education-related expenses.

If they went for the education, why shouldn't they be paid more? It's like that with any other job, isn't it?

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:59:40 AM
If you were trying to convince me that the younger generations are spoiled rotten wannabe gangsta rapper douchebags, well guess what, you convinced me.

Good, you learned something.

Perhaps from permissive liberal teachers that lack discipline and real teaching skills.

And around one sentence later, you lost the point entirely. It has nothing to do with the teachers. It has to do with the parents that have taken away every opportunity for the teachers to actually TEACH, since they aren't allowed to punish students or the parents will rage, they aren't allowed to hold students back if they need to or the parents will rage, etc.

Everything falls back on the parents. Even the success of private schools falls on the parents, because the parents pay for the education, they're going to make sure the kid gets it.

You're no better than the parents who blame the teachers for their failures.

chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 681 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:02:05 AM
"Now where did this attitude start ? Perhaps from permissive liberal teachers that lack discipline and real teaching skills. Perhaps some of it is from their parents and modern culture as well, there is plenty of blame to go around."
no it started when we took away the ability of schools to employ corporal punishment. also, socially i am liberal, i believe in a great deal of freedom of thought and expression, but freedom must be governed by personal responsibility, and i think that is where it is all going wrong. we as a race tend to work towards fulfilling our desires before we take the time to consider the impact on the world around us.also also, uniforms actually increase the ability of the individual to express themselves, as opposed to expressing fashion designers.

number43
Male, 70 & Over, Asia
 765 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:35:55 AM
@Random3,

I read your whole post and I wasn't implying your mother didn't love her job. You're saying that 1) your mother gets paid well. 2) she can't afford her lifestyle and your summation is that she's not paid well enough.

Except that's not a pay scale problem. That's a problem with her budgeting and fiscal responsibility. As I pointed out in my original post teachers were the 2nd highest starting salary of Boston City public servants. All of the people in those jobs can be expected to have the same or similar expenses (mortgage, children, car payments, health insurance, etc.) So are you telling me that Teachers have more expenses than other people because of their jobs?

kittehdee29
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 803 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 1:40:25 AM
@I-IS-BORED, you'd be surprised how many schools hire teachers because they need them and put them in a subject that wasn't their major. THAT is a big reason teachers are "bad," because they're not teaching the subject they know.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17180 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 12:38:06 AM
Altaru: If you were trying to convince me that the younger generations are spoiled rotten wannabe gangsta rapper douchebags, well guess what, you convinced me.

Now where did this attitude start ? Perhaps from permissive liberal teachers that lack discipline and real teaching skills. Perhaps some of it is from their parents and modern culture as well, there is plenty of blame to go around.

Parochial schools get results because of strict discipline, uniforms, and teachers that care, even when that students parents are morons.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 12:32:07 AM

@ jtrebowski - No, I have no problem contributing to the public school system via taxes. Those kids are gonna support me in my old age an dammit they better learn a thing or two.

Actually, my son-the-law-student will be footing the bill for me and I'll hand my social security checks over to him. did I mention he's in law school?

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