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Unidentified Object At The Bottom Of The Sea?

Hits: 15687 | Rating: (1.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12013 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:19:56 PM
For the record, I DO think that life probably exists outside of our planet. I don't claim proof of such, it's just a hunch as a scientist. But I think that it's much more likely that that extraterrestrial life is probably microbial, or at least primtive, whatever that means. Statistically, some should be more advanced than us. But interstellar/galactic travel? Dudes, there are speed limits, apparently, even in the universe as a whole.

I don't however, believe that UFOs captured on video on Earth is an intelligent intergalactic space-race who happened to f*ck up when they traversed the galaxy to reach our entirely mediocre planet, and crash into the dirt somewhere in New Mexico because the autopilot somehow failed. THAT is the part I have trouble with personally.

Again, all based on intuition, personal experience, and education. I'll be the first one to eat my hat if I'm wrong and an intelligent alien shakes my hand tomorrow. As every self-proclaimed scientist shoul

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12013 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:11:31 PM
Davy has said nothing about the bacteria on a Martian rock, so this point is invalid as it has nothing to do with our debate.

True, and the reason I didn't mention it is because, frankly, I don't know enough about it. Of course I'm aware of the media furore surrounding that martian rock, but best I can remember the results were inconclusive. I can't be a proper scientist unless I appraise all the evidence laid before me. And that may have been martian bacteria, or it may have been an artifact. Again, I find myself agreeing with CJ. As they say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there was (to the best of my knowledge) no such evidence presented in that case. Could have been caused by a number of geoscientific phenomena.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:47:02 PM
I had a B, but I lost it...

A good song came on and I had to stand up and dance.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:45:57 PM
Btw, out of all the rock samples that Mars probes and rovers have analyzed, no living or dead bacteria have been observed.

A) Well DERP. Let me ask you: How deep do we usually find fossilized dinosaur bones? Now, how deep do NASA probes usually dig?

Assuming nothing has lived on the planet for a couple thousand years, OR COURSE there aren't going to be signs of life on the surface. They would all be buried underneath millennia of dust and dirt, possibly under the ice layers that they've been trying to probe recently.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16713 Posts
Wednesday, August 03, 2011 3:32:41 PM
Altaru: Geologists with a goal/agenda in mind ahead of time can make mistakes as easily as anyone else and because the rock was found here on earth it is much more likely the bacteria is of earth origin.

If they ever find a Mars rock on mars with the same sort of bacteria that would be something, right now it's nothing but bad speculation.

Btw, out of all the rock samples that Mars probes and rovers have analyzed, no living or dead bacteria have been observed.

kbubb91
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 89 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:24:11 PM
its a ship upside down, the line going through the middle is clearly the hull and the stuff on the outside is debree. why the drat would you say its the millennium falcon, someone needs to get his ass out of comic book land.

TrustyMadman
Male, 18-29, Canada
 139 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:15:43 PM
The black around the object is called scouring. It is debris from the object removed by currents and tides.
Think of it as dust on a rock, gently blow some away. That is a fast forward of what the water did to this object.
Looks like a really cool coral formation though, I'll give them that.

My source: I AM A ROUTE SURVEY SONAR ANALYST!

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:35:46 PM
So yeah, bacteria could be found 'inside' the outer layer of crud it was caked in and those bacteria still be from earth.

Cajun said it, geologists would know if that were the case. Mars dirt is made up of different materials than earth dirt, which is why they knew it was a Mars rock in the first place. The bacteria was found inside the Martian part of the rock, after they had cleaned off the earth crud, which wouldn't be considered part of the Mars rock in the first place.

Even Davy, who is a PHD geologist, isn't impressed by madest's arguments for ETs.

Davy has said nothing about the bacteria on a Martian rock, so this point is invalid as it has nothing to do with our debate.

And again, I'm not saying there are intelligent species that are visiting earth. I'm saying that there's most likely life out there, even simple things like bacteria or protozoa.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:01:18 PM
No surprise a religious, conservative, republican goes straight to anal probing in a discussion of aliens...

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10209 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:55:11 PM
So yeah, bacteria could be found 'inside' the outer layer of crud it was caked in and those bacteria still be from earth.


Geologists would be able to tell if that happened.

syke22
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 1116 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:32:08 PM
They're using PCs because Macs don't have sonar

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16713 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:11:33 PM
Altaru: Let me give you a simple scenario that is not only plausible, but entirely likely.

Said meteorite strikes earth, it still being warm attracts earth bacteria that consume the minerals in the meteorite. Then it rains, a flood carries away your small meteor downstream or perhaps in a mudslide or avalanche downhill getting a good coating of earth and or sediment along the way.
The meteorite with it's newer earth coating then has ten thousand years to re-fossilize.

So yeah, bacteria could be found 'inside' the outer layer of crud it was caked in and those bacteria still be from earth.

Even Davy, who is a PHD geologist, isn't impressed by madest's arguments for ETs.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16713 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:00:14 PM
madest: My beliefs come from logic, first hand experience...


So you're an alien abdustee then ?

The anal probe must've been traumatic because they evidently hit brain matter.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:29:56 PM
Better to understand the The Drake Equation before criticizing it. Unless you're a scientist or a mathematician you're just making yourself sound foolish.

greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2321 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:20:55 PM
im throwing some bratwurst on the grill anybody else want one? hey we have sauerkraut right?

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:57:59 AM
madest, get this through your thick skull, the drake equation doesn't PROVE a thing, it is just essentially guesswork. Yet you bandy it around as evidence in the same way that some people bandy the bible around as proof of god.

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:47:30 AM
CrakrJak, for once I agree, a belief in extraterrestrial life is as unsubstantiated as a belief in some kind of god.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:59:12 AM
You are forgetting that that 'martian' rock has been on earth for over ten thousand years, long enough for earth bacteria to grow on it and become fossilized here on earth.

The article itself addresses that point, which proves you clearly didn't read it.

The fossilized bacteria was found INSIDE the rock, not coating the outside. In other words, it was already there, the bacteria they found wasn't just earth crap on the surface layer.

We are alone on this small blue planet, There is no evidence that ET is out there and going to save us. So your belief is in ETs is no different than my belief in God.

Personally, I don't see why you dismiss the idea of aliens when you believe in God. Do you doubt his capabilities to go ahead and create another planet and species? I mean, humans are basically a failed experiment on his part, so why wouldn't he want to try again?

Jayno
Male, 18-29, Canada
 170 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:17:03 AM
So aliens developed good enough technology to build an spaceship and come all the way over to earth, but couldn't crash-land that mother?

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:14:48 AM
CJ, You believe in an invisible man in the sky because of a 2000 year old book. My beliefs come from logic, first hand experience, scientific findings and mathematical equations. Your beliefs spring from nonsense brow beat into your empty head by your negligent parents.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16713 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:42:23 AM
madest: The Drake equation proves nothing, Hell the Drake equation isn't even complete. We keep finding that more and more factors are necessary to develop life on any planet and the more factors there are the lesser the chance of the Drake equation even equaling one.

In any case, Most of the billions of other galaxies are so far away that they are unreachable in a million lifetimes.

The stars within our own galaxy do not hold enough numbers for the Drake equation to result in more than one and that 'one' is likely just us.

We are alone on this small blue planet, There is no evidence that ET is out there and going to save us. So your belief is in ETs is no different than my belief in God.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10209 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:51:09 AM
Not that I believe we've proven the existence of sentient ETs.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10209 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:50:03 AM
You are forgetting that that 'martian' rock has been on earth for over ten thousand years, long enough for earth bacteria to grow on it and become fossilized here on earth.



Well duh!!! What is THAT supposed to say about Mars!

For all we know Mars has been completely devoid of sentient life (or anything remotely comparable to anything above microscopic) for all that time becuase of its atmosphere.

fungsho
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 21 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:44:31 AM
"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."
— Christopher Hitchens

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:24:47 AM
Don't you handicap God's abilities by insisting that the science we have observed and measured can be the only truth? You're so willing to believe in science fiction, yet berate those that believe in God, that's really hypocritical.

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No I believe in science. There is a mathmatical equation proving life exists on other planets. There is no mathmatical equation proving Gods existence. Klamz reminded me it's called the Drake Equation.

@Davymid, I've never made my interest in UFO's a secret. 99% of UFO posts on IAB were submitted by me before I became a mod. Why should things be different now? You should ask yourself which posts you're surprised come from me. NASCAR preacher? Boogity Boogity!

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