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Obama Certifies The End Of Dont Ask Dont Tell

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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Monday, July 25, 2011 12:48:58 AM
And once again, the second Kinsey was in 1953. Not the 90s that you originally claimed it was and not the 80s that you're know trying to slide in as the date. And it was only about women. And it didn't have the numbers you claim it had.

Making a false claim of authority can be useful if you not bothered about being dishonest, but when your numbers are completely fictional you are better off not pretending they came from any source because sooner or later someone will check.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Monday, July 25, 2011 12:44:30 AM
But at least your extra inflation of the made-up numbers caused me to look at actual information and find out that the 10% figure that's been successfully installed as common knowledge is also wrong and completely inflated.

So...why do you want to pretend that there are ~10 times as many homosexuals as there actually are? What difference does it make?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Monday, July 25, 2011 12:37:05 AM
I'm not cherry picking. I'm good with the standard 10%. You asked, I answered. don't be hatin just cause you don't like the answer.

Sources... who needs them. I just went from memory and the controversy over the second kinsey I thought was in the 90's ... could be 80's. You asked, That's my recollection, shut up. don't be hatin' hater.



So when I use your own sources to disprove your claims, you respond with an untrue statement about what you said, false accusations of hatred and a demand for me to shut up.

That says a lot about you and none of it is good.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:27:51 PM
The 20% is in fantasy land. It's 2 to 4% at the most. There were 109 people in my graduation class. 2 of us were gay, and one lesbian. I like the pole not the hole. The other gay was so gay. He is fabulous. I've seen him walk into a party on 36 hours of no sleep and was the life of the party. You might as well not have a party without one fabulous homosexual.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:53:21 PM

@ Angilion

I'm not cherry picking. I'm good with the standard 10%. You asked, I answered. don't be hatin just cause you don't like the answer.

Sources... who needs them. I just went from memory and the controversy over the second kinsey I thought was in the 90's ... could be 80's. You asked, That's my recollection, shut up. don't be hatin' hater.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:43:46 AM
angilion you are aware that the spartans fell apart pretty damn quickly


You are now aware of the post I was replying to, because I'm going to quote it here:

For those of you who think that homosexuality and excellent military service do not go together, I suggest you get educated and find out who the Spartans were in ancient history.

Additionally, precluding 20% of your populace from serving is a sure recipe for dissolution of the state.



I stand by my position that it's not a good idea to use Sparta as an example of it being a good thing to have homosexuality openly in the military, or anything else. Sparta was a harsh, weird, unfree and brutal society.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:35:03 AM
In short, the actual results bear no resemblence to your claims.

In fact, they are far below the ~10% figure that has become generally accepted, let alone the ~20% that you claim (the next target in the numbers game, presumably).

I think it's counter-productive to make up ever-increasing numbers for what proportion of people are homosexual. It's not difficult for anyone to find out that the numbers are highly inflated. That dishonesty does not paint a good picture.

Unless, of course, you're not interested in fairness or truth and just want big numbers to use as propaganda to gain ever-increasing group power. It's not counter-productive then, because in that context it doesn't matter if anyone who checks finds out your numbers are fake. Most people don't check anything.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:22:11 AM
Oh, it's a painting that looks like a sepia photo. So it's not necessarily a depiction of anything that every happened.

Look at the actual results of studies done during the 90s and now shown on the Kinsey Institute website.

Link

"5-6% of adults as homosexual or bisexual since age 18 (with the percentage for exclusive homosexuality as less than 1%)"

"4% of men and 2% of women self-identified as homosexual."

"2% of sexually active men in the survey reported same-gender sexual activity during the last 10 years, with 1% reporting being "exclusively homosexual" during this time"

"Given the identity category choices of heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or something else, 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women surveyed reported "some level of homosexual ident

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:07:33 AM
So...according to what you claim is your source (the Kinsey Institute), the proportion of people in the USA who are homosexual is probably just a couple of percent, with varying degrees of bisexuality being much more common and most of that being experimentation in adolescence.

Showing a sepia photograph that might or might not be old (it's easy to make a digital photo look like an old sepia one) and might or might not show a homosexual couple (you must be aware that customs in the past aren't necessarily the same as customs in the present) is very effective because humans are primarily visual, but it do not constitute proof the the very high numbers you want to be true.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:59:27 AM
[quote">Tabulations by Gebhard (McWhirter 1990) on Kinsey's basic sample of noninstitutionalized males and females indicated that "13.95% of males and 4.25% of females, or a combined average of 9.13%" had had either "extensive" or "more than incidental" homosexual experience. These figures were not weighted by marital status.[/quote">

Kinsey Institute

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:57:46 AM
The first Kinsey report was in 1948, the second in 1953. The website of the Kinsey Institute shows no Kinsey reports in the 1990s. It does list many studies over the last 60 years into what proportion of people are homosexual, which yield results from 1% to 14%, but 14% only for men and that includes all homosexual activity described as "more than incidental", regardless of the men's actual preferences. A lot of genuinely homosexual people have had some heterosexual activity at some point in time - would you class them all as heterosexual because of that?

You seem to be:

Cherry-picking the highest estimate.
Ignoring everything about what it actually states.
Adding some more onto it to make it even higher.
Making up a source to give false authority to your fictional number.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:27:59 AM

Angilion
"when did we get to 20% of the population being homosexual?"

The first Kinsey Report said 10% but the second Kinsey in the 90's said 20-25%. The second was rejected immediately by conservatives at the time and the number most commanly accpeted is between 10-15%.

But what does that mean? 10-15% means gays are As numerous as Blacks, More numerous than Jews, not quite as numerous as Hispanics. In short, there are tons of us.

Always been there... always will be.



vorpalsword
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1429 Posts
Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:15:03 AM
angilion you are aware that the spartans fell apart pretty damn quickly

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:31:38 PM
I missed the best bit!

Additionally, precluding 20% of your populace from serving is a sure recipe for dissolution of the state.


Considering that every state that has ever existed has precluded at least 20% of the populace from serving, you are obviously wrong. Sparta, to carry on with your example, precluded more than 95% of the populace.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:26:32 PM
Also, when did we get to 20% of the population being homosexual? I'm thinking that's not very likely.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10533 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:23:30 PM
For those of you who think that homosexuality and excellent military service do not go together, I suggest you get educated and find out who the Spartans were in ancient history.


It's probably not a good idea to use Sparta as an example. It was a military dictatorship in which only 10% of people were free in any way, nobody was completely free (that 10% were in service to the army), where all male people were conscripted at the age of 6, where killing civilians on command was a common piece of final training for soldiers and where what we would call paedophilia was normal.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:16:19 PM

@ splurbyburbl

which clubs and when is showtime? :D

Lobotomy
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 495 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:11:17 PM
@buttsdowhat Too bad there's no draft anymore.

Jade_Phoenix
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 400 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 1:58:06 PM
Oh Gerry...you amuse me. ^_^

buttsdowhat
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 373 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:24:33 AM
Aw. Now men can't get out of the draft by claiming they're gay.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:08:41 AM

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:59:50 AM
As a straight male Marine, I am super happy about the decision. I am currently making tons of cash stripping in gay clubs and now I know that I don't have to worry about getting accused of being gay. Plus, I am getting tired of all the ignorance of the gay bashers.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 7:22:46 AM

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10114 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:38:02 AM
@Commentator

Don't forget Alexander the Great.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Saturday, July 23, 2011 6:35:03 AM
Looking At Junk

Why is this such a big fear? As if straight guys don't ever looked at another guys stuff in the shower to check how he measures up?

I think you are afraid they will
Laugh At Your Junk

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