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Another Flotilla Is Heading For Gaza (vid)

Hits: 9694 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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kameo360fan
Female, 13-17, Canada
 385 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 10:42:36 PM
First thought ;
The Quarian Flotilla?

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:12:22 PM
@5cats, while some may be the actual ones, many jews are europeans and that's definitely not native to the place. About the direct connection, you can see it genetically, the arabs have genes perfectly suitable for the middle east, and there is no dout they lived here or hundreds of years. It is also known that at the time the middle eastern people looks exactly like the arabs (and if you separate. "Mizrahi" people) of today. It makes perfect sense that they have been here ever since ancient men passed here on the way from africa to europe. It also explains why they are so widespread in the middle east. Religion doesn't defy what you are saying, but culture may, and from personal experience I know that there are fast cultural differences among the Israelis.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:46:54 AM
vv Nope @GasMaskKid, those people are 100% serious! They made these clips (afaik) to explain why they're sailing to Gaza to support Hamas.

Well I don't think we can directly connect Arabic (and others) tribes from 2500 years ago (apx) with modern nations. On the other hand, the Jews ARE the same peoples as 2500 years ago. Same language, religion & etc. Muslims didn't even exist back then! (obviously)


GasMaskKid
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 694 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:11:26 AM
Is this meant to be ridiculous?

Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1957 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 11:01:37 AM
Nazis=clowns. Racists=0. Palestine is a terrorist state.

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 8:17:01 AM
@5cats I want you to understand that I completely agree with Israel's right to exist, but not this way. If you look at it logically you will see that the palestinians have more justification to be here.

Jews where here in the bible but arabs were too, those were pagan and beduin tribes. Jews then left for religious reasons while arabs didn't. Now both of them have a religious reason for the land but only one has the reason of being here all the time.

And I also want to tell you that I am completely against Hamas since they hurt even their own people. Ask gazans what they thinks of the Hamas and they will tell you that they hate them (as long as the Hamas doesn't hear them). Those people in the video are wrong about many things and they definitely have no idea what is really going on, but some of the things they said were taken out of context. Like any war children happen to die, and that what she said. She didn't say they kill them on purpose.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:50:46 AM

I love the stupid acusations in text.
"Isreal is deliberately giving children anemia"... it's not small pox or the flu.. you can't "give" someone a case of anemia.

"Isreal is shooting children in the head"
oh puh-leez. And Hamas and the palastinians never send suicide bombers into weddings or put bombs on busses with children.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:50:37 AM

Israel is surrounded by countries sworn to exterminate them. Of course they take harsh measures for defense. Meanwhile, NONE of those peace loving muslim or arab nations will help the palastinians. They don't want them squatting on their land either.



5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:45:02 AM
The IAB format takes a little getting used to, no worries!

Well, I truely hope those teens were arrested and charged. That's yet another difference between Hamas and Israel: killers in Israel are arrested and jailed (there's been many IDF members & Settlers jailed for their crimes against Palistinians) while PLO and Hamas call their killers heroes (or martyrs for the suicide bombers).

It's a violent place, the Middle East, I think I'll stay here in Winnipeg. Racist Native Gangs and the Hells Angels are WHIMPS compared to what's going on over there!

In Israeli schools, yes? Because there is NO Israel in Palistinian schools... Well, I'd sure like to see a source, and also an accounting of Pali on Pali violence.

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:38:19 AM
Oh and 5cats, about the statistics, it is completely correct, we actually learn it in history class.

In ordinary Israeli schools, not Palestinian schools.

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 7:35:03 AM
@5cats. Thanks didn't realize that.

About the shootings. I did see the marks on the ground and the graves but I don't know for sure about the shootings. All the rest I said is absolutely actual and I have seen it with my own eyes. I tell you, you just need to visit Israel AND the arab villages to be able to tell. I have heard and seen countless times racism in Israel.

On the holocaust memorail day a few years back, about 20 Israeli teens, some drunk some not, lynched two other arab teens, with wooden plates. That is not some myth, it was caught on camera and was on the news, and it happened in my own neighborhood.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:42:15 AM
@NNoamfer: thanks for responding in a sensible way! I hope I can return the kindness.
Anyone can say anything on the interwebs, so while I believe you're a Jew in Jerusalem, I also keep in mind you might be a loonie in San Francisco, eh?
As for your 'first hand accounts' they sound like urban myths at best, viscious propoganda at worst.
Clicky the "image" button on the right to post a picture. Also try "Tinyurl" dot com, it's free! Very handy.

@Baal Where did you get these statistics?

Same place he gets all his 'facts' from @Sachi001: he pulls them out of his arse! LOLZ! Or from Hamas' homepage, whichever stinks more...

Atrocities @Baalthy:
Murder of homosexuals
Suicide bombing of civilians
Infilitraters slaughtering families
Lynching of suspected 'colabarators'
Deliberate targeting of civilians
Using civilians as human shields

You'll find these are all entirely one-sided.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:32:13 AM
@Baalthy your 'stats' are utter bullpoop. You do not count the Palistinians killed by OTHER Palistinians! That number is usually counted as "killed by the IDF" by sources such as yours.

Israelis imprisioned: 1 This is an outright LIE! There's been at least 4-5 others kidnapped. And that's just what I know of.

Demolition of Israeli homes:0 Um, no rockets hit any houses? Another LIE.

Fake numbers @Baalthy, that's the best you got?

Ooo, the Arabic "peace plan": give up every inch of farmland in Israel, hand over everything, cease to exist as a nation. I cannot imagine why Israel doesn't JUMP at that one!

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 6:00:22 AM
@5cats. I knew you would think I'm not really jewish or Israeli.

I could write to you in Hebrew letters but IAB won't let me.

That's a picture of me in Jerusalem:
http://www.hawkengame.com/blog/wp-con tent/images/landmarks/Jeru salem.jpg
(delete spaces)

It's easy to say I'm lying when you have no Idea what you are talking about. Look up my name "Noam" and you would see it's an Israeli name.

@randomxnp So I'm an anti-semitic jew? I heard that way too many times.I never said all Israelis or Jews are bad. There are many Israelis like me, and have you ever heard of Neturei Karta? It's a group of Orthodox Jews that wants the destruction of Israel. Just to give you an example of variety.

If any of you still don't believe I'm Israeli, I can give you a brief summary on the history of Israel since it's taught in schools. I can also tell you everything ab

Sachi001
Male, 30-39, Asia
 598 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 4:54:43 AM
@Baal

Where did you get these statistics?

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:24:15 AM
Cats AND Crakr:
Also, you itemizing motherdrater. Seriously, how many times do I have to explain that the point of having a single person highlighted as a representative (I.e. 10 people in a video instead of what, 100'000 contributing to the flotilla?) it's because it's an easy shot at a complex issue that you can bias in any direction.

"Look, a <black> guy! Just goes to show you what <black people> are like!"

You can do it with: Muslim, Arab, Flotilla supporters, Mexicans, Gays.... oh wait... you already do....

You really gotta figure out how to deal with your issues.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:17:29 AM
As for Crakr constant stream of bullpoo "If the Palestine's just" followed by a stream of event the Israelis are not expected to do.

Israel have never recognized Palestine, but Palestine must recognize Israel for peace?

If Israel wants peace, it needs to stop demolishing homes, stop building on Palestinian lands (I'm only talking about land they continue to take AFTER all wars were said and done), and so on, they could have peace.

This is evidenced by the fact that there has been a peace plan on the table, agreed upon by all Arab nations and the UN, that Israel has rejected and ignored for 20 odd years.

Your "peace plan", as one sided as it is, is a hypothetical. This is real, and rejected. By Israel. Again.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Sunday, July 03, 2011 2:08:42 AM
5 Cats says: 20x.
Reality says: 0.2x

Civilians killed by Palestine: 1084.
Civilians killed by Israel: 6430.

Children killed by Palestine: 124
Children killed by Israel: 1463


Civilians injured by Palestine: 9'226
Civilians injured by Israel: 45'041

Israelis imprisoned: 1
Palestinians imprisoned: 5935

Demolition of Israeli homes: 0
Demolition of Palestinian homes: 24'813

Israeli settlements on land BEYOND the 1967 borders (I.e. Land taken after the war): 236
Palestinian settlements in the other direction: 0



So 5 cats, take every one of those, write them on a big piece of paper, and shove them far, far up your ass. 20x?

Adi_Noor
Male, 18-29, Asia
 191 Posts
Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:58:02 PM
If someone illegally and forcefully enters my home and destroy it and make his own home on that land and say that the land if gifted by god to me and the america supports it, it will ever never solve our conflict until the guy leaves my land

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Saturday, July 02, 2011 9:07:28 PM
@5cats- 20x more evil acts? Really? Where are you getting that figure? Because last I checked, the civilian death toll was higher on the Palestinian side. The Palestinian virulent rhetoric and propensity for intentionally targeting civilians )rather than "accidentally" doing so) might be more shocking, but that doesn't make the Israeli government's actions any less evil. This conflict is about the powerful on both sides trying to maintain power with no regard for their respective citizenry.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Saturday, July 02, 2011 6:31:20 PM
Another Report with 2 videos! One of Alice Walker blowing kisses towards Gaza (and Hamas), the other a report that Hamas police have tortured 4 men to death recently...

@sbeelz: true there's no "white/black hats" except in cowboy movies; but there's still evil in the world which must be recognized and opposed. When one side commits 20X as many evil acts, it's kinda easy to choose who to support.

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:33:04 PM
RdDan- exactly. That's largely what's fueling this whole conflict- people on both the Palestinian and Israli sides use rhetoric to frame the other side as being inhuman and evil, while people who just want to live their lives suffer for it. The conflict is complex, and trying to put a white hat on one side and a black hat on the other won't do anything to bring it to an end.

RdDan
Male, 30-39, Europe
 760 Posts
Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:18:55 PM
Don't you just love mass generalizations -
The Israelis are all racist.
The English are all homosexual.
The French are all on strike.
The Aussies are all Bogans.
The Irish are all terrorists.
The Americans are all ignorant.
The Japanese are all technology obsessives.
The Disabled are all mentally challenged.
PE teachers are all Paedo's.
Politicians are all scumbags.
Internet Memes are all hilarious.
Old books are all really good.
My comments are all fantastic.
Apple products are all well designed.
etcetera etcetera

Sachi001
Male, 30-39, Asia
 598 Posts
Saturday, July 02, 2011 5:14:55 PM
What a bunch of propaganda BS. Israel giving Anemia my ass. That is lack of proper minerals in a proper diet. They have the same problem in the whole Middle East and Asia. Most of the tribal villages in Afghanistan/Pakistan suffer from it. Even in India they suffer from Anemia and a whole host of vitamin deficiency. Heck even quite of few Japanese women suffer such from lack of iron and also bone loss from Calcium and Vitamin D.

Also the shooting of children in the head is a load of crap. CFR MFer's

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Saturday, July 02, 2011 4:09:07 PM
100% still.

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