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 fishgul69
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 917 Posts
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Sunday, June 12, 2011 7:55:42 PM
you know what, if her info wasn't on the billboard, then I don't think so. but I think the whole pro-life thing is bupkis and the billboard was in HORRIBLE taste. sorry, but as a Black, agnostic, bi-sexual, I am damn tired of people telling me what I can/can't do with my body and my life. |
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 human_exile
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
881 Posts
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Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:44:43 AM
the world's population needs to be decreased anyway |
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 NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1103 Posts
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Friday, June 10, 2011 6:38:50 PM
@MeGrendel
That makes no sense at all, of course the father of a child should have to pay child support if he is not the primary custodian.
When a woman is pregnant, she does not lose the right to control her body to her male partner or anyone else. If she doesn't want to have a baby, then she doesn't want a baby. The man has no say over her body one way or another, because it is HER body NOT his.
One the other hand, when the child is born and can live on it's own, it has nothing to do with the woman's rights vs. the man's rights it has to do with the child's right.
The child must be supported financially and it is the responsibility of both parents, unless BOTH of them decide to give up their rights and put the child into the custody of the state. |
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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2410 Posts
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Friday, June 10, 2011 10:54:47 AM
NotTHATbored-"If the risks and costs are not his, then the decision is really not his either."
If the risks and costs nor decision are not his, then neither should be the cost and responsibility.
She should not be able to sue for child support.
Or are you trying to have it both ways? |
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 Negativitron
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
66 Posts
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Friday, June 10, 2011 3:31:22 AM
you know what? even if it is murder, abortion is jusifiable. Less people being made= less need for welfare, less crime, overall less bad stuff. |
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NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1103 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:56:02 PM
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If a man or "father" could step in and fill the role of the fetus's host and assume all the costs and risks then he should be allowed to do so. Until then it's really no his decision. Pregnancy has it's risks and costs which a man simply can not negate or chose to take on himself. If the risks and costs are not his, then the decision is really not his either. |
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 Dead_Serious
Male, 30-39, Canada
28 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:54:39 PM
I think abortion should be legal to the age of 16. Man, that would be awesome. "Clean your room!" "No!" "Guess were off to the abortion clinic". I have single handedly just solved all the issues in the universe. |
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NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1103 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:50:18 PM
@MeGrendel Yes, the "LAW" is good enough for me. Thank you for sharing your previously uncited source, it does appear that 21 states recognize the killing of a fetus as "fetal homicide" from the point of conception. Interesting, but irrelevant.
The Supreme Court still does not define abortion as the "killing" or "murder" of a human being. So as far as the law is concerned, the sign is still untrue and potentially libelous. She didn't kill anyone.
There is also a difference between killing a fetus, say by stabbing it through the mother's stomach, and the mother simply denying it the right to live inside of her at her bodies expense. If it could live then it would, no one is actually killing it, but it can't live without a human woman's body to support it so it doesn't.
If a man or "father" could step in and fill the role of the fetus's host and assume all the costs and risks then he should be allowed to do s |
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lastapplepie
Male, 13-17, Europe
49 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 1:32:24 PM
on my tab it says jited ex-boyfriend erects fml
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2410 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:18:17 PM
Wendypants-"Pro-choice, as a woman's body is her own..."
Ergo, anything within a woman's body is her own.
Ergo, women have no right to ask for child support for any child she has without consulting the man.
For that matter, the same argument holds true for my tax money. I didn't have any say so in her having a child. So she shouldn't qualify for WIC.
Sounds fair. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2410 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:14:37 PM
NotTHATbored-" the law is what is at issue here."
No, a douchebag is the issue here.
NotTHATbored-"where are you getting your information about these "most states""
The LAW good enough for you?
National Conference of State Legislatureslists is by state. In all 34 state recognize a fetus as a victim.
Also, it is NATIONAL law. It's called the 'Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004" and was signed into law. Its definition is "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".
Please see:
Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and
Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a). |
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 Wendypants
Female, 30-39, Canada
1167 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:40:42 AM
Pro-choice, as a woman's body is her own...
and if a man really, really wants a kid there are PLENTY of women out there ready to pop out tons of brats (think Octo-mom!). So, he may have been well within his right to put up the billboard but it was still a dick move on his part. |
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NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1103 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:50:11 AM
@MeGrendel
Yes but the law is what is at issue here, not people's opinions.
Also, where are you getting your information about these "most states"? |
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NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1103 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:47:55 AM
"Right on freedom of speech."
An abortion is a medical procedure. Why should freedom of speech allow someone to disclose a part or parts of a woman's medical history in a way that may defame her character and damage her financially? Shouldn't people have to consent to have their medical information shared? Especially when she explicitly has requested that information not be made public? I think people have a right to privacy when it comes to their medical history. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2410 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:46:53 AM
NotTHATbored-" think you are confusing the issue here. There is in fact no legal precedent saying that getting a legal abortion is "killing" a child, so as far as the law is concerned she did not "kill" anyone."
I didn't confuse the issue at all, seeing as I was not taking issue with the law. My statement read, "many people consider aborting a child 'killing'." Which is a true statement. The law is a different issue. By law she did not kill her child. Not everyone agrees with this law. (but it IS the law)
"There may be a precedent that murdering a pregnant woman after a certain point her pregnancy constitutes as a double murder"
For most states in the US, ANY point of her pregnancy constitutes murder of the unborn:
Alabama: "an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability"
Alaska: "at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."
Arizon |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9677 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:17:53 AM
I am all for Pro- choice, but I think that it should be decided between BOTH parents.
So what do you think should happen if they want different and mutually incompatible things? Father wants the baby, mother wants an abortion - how does your "decided between BOTH parents" work then?
I see it as a deception trying to prettify a very ugly situation. There is no way to have both parents decide, no way at all. Next step is usually saying that she should listen to him, blah blah. Also a deception trying to prettify a very ugly situation. An emperor might decide to listen to a serf, but that doesn't mean they have an equal say in running the empire.
I think the man should be kept as ignorant as possible as often as possible, preferably never knowing there was a pregnancy. He's utterly powerless and can do nothing but suffer. There's no need to rub his face in it. That's just nasty. |
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davidildo123
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
143 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:05:15 AM
Right on freedom of speech. |
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 ChainsawNbud
Male, 50-59, Southern US
718 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 5:45:30 AM
Funny how the man has such a problem with abortion, but has no problem with fathering children out of wedlock. |
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 zombunny
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2524 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:51:12 AM
Yes, help the pro life movement by furthering the public humiliation and shaming of women. |
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 Veneni
Male, 13-17, Europe
31 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:19:15 AM
How about a picture of a crackwhore with "this was going to be my doughter if the mother did not decide to abort" |
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 Lauryn
Female, 18-29, Australia
440 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 3:46:57 AM
This is such a sad situation, First up it would be nice if we were told wether she had a termination or if it really was a miscarriage. But they wont answer that because it wouldn’t cause such a news storm!
I am all for Pro- choice, but I think that it should be decided between BOTH parents. Maybe this guy really is a douche and she didn’t want to bring another one of him into the world… but he should have some right to the baby he helped create.
It way to hard to sit here and judge either of them with out knowing the full story, She should have talked about it more with him (If/before) she made any decisions, and he shouldn’t have put the billboard up. They both need some councilling or something. |
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 apedrana
Male, 18-29, Australia
141 Posts
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Thursday, June 09, 2011 2:06:21 AM
judging on the race of the baby, i dont think he was the father
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 CheshireKiti
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
33 Posts
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Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:36:06 PM
Why is this a four minute video and not just a photo? |
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carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
4277 Posts
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Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:48:58 PM
Well, there's a near miss for her; she must be grateful for him showing his colors. What have she had gone ahead and married this jerk? |
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NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1103 Posts
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Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:35:19 PM
@MeGrendel
"Many, many people consider aborting a child 'killing'. Just because you disagree does not make them wrong (nor you right).
As mentioned earlier, there is legal precedent that killing an unborn child is not only 'killing' but can also be classified as murder."
I think you are confusing the issue here. There is in fact no legal precedent saying that getting a legal abortion is "killing" a child, so as far as the law is concerned she did not "kill" anyone.
There may be a precedent that murdering a pregnant woman after a certain point her pregnancy constitutes as a double murder, but that point is almost certainly past the point where you can have a legal abortion. It would almost certainly fall into the same time period as the outlawed "partial birth abortions" where, yes, doctors actually kill the child not just remove it.
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