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 Batmanners
Male, 18-29, Canada
 4012 Posts
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Thursday, June 02, 2011 12:47:51 AM
Talibans cannot afford the technology, they aren't government sponsored, except for the US government many years ago...oops
The people we don't want with that information are Iran, Korea, China and Russia, you know countries with significant militaries. |
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 AngryYouth
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
736 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 9:04:52 PM
I doubt that the Taliban can do anything significant with that information. |
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 thirrteen
Male, 40-49, Europe
230 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 5:10:41 PM
Well, since we've listed all of it's relevant data (which can no doubt be found elsewhere, thanks BM) why don't we just put the uplink/downlink freqs and crypto that it uses as well so Tommy Taliban can come up with a countermeasure?
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AngryYouth
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
736 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 5:06:37 PM
I didn't get my numbers from wiki; I remembered those numbers from somewhere else. |
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Batmanners
Male, 18-29, Canada
4012 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:05:47 PM
60 Million Allied losses, 12 Million Axis.
Wikipedia has pretty good numbers. 45 Mil Civilian Allied casualties, 16 Mil Military..
Whereas we killed 8 million Military and 4 Mil Civilian... And somehow we won. |
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AngryYouth
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
736 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:12:36 AM
Many people want to live in a world without conflict. But as long as their is evil in the hearts of men, their will always be conflict.
60 million people died in WWII; any conflicts that we engage in now could be a way from stopping WWIII from starting. |
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AngryYouth
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
736 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:04:59 AM
The F-22 Raptor is beig replaced by the F-35 Lightning. The F-35 costs even more.
@Scuzoid I don't understand how drones are not cost-effective. Drones can not do all the types of missions that manned aircrafts can, but drones are definitely able to do many of the missions that manned aircraft can. The U.S. government saves a lot of money by using drones when they can. Sending a drone in to do the job of a manned aircraft is something we try to avoid.
Besides, if drones weren't cost-effective, why would we continue to use them? |
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 piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3202 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 7:03:30 AM
Ok so lets play a chess match to solve conflicts. This is the cheaper and safest solution. |
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Batmanners
Male, 18-29, Canada
4012 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 4:48:32 AM
Still cheaper than buying a single F-22. Don't forget that the F-22 is so expensive and they don't want to risk losing one in enemy territory so bad, that they don't use them to their full potential in a theater of war. |
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Batmanners
Male, 18-29, Canada
4012 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 4:47:09 AM
"Drones. I wonder how long it will take some innovative desperate people to make a ecm or some kind of jamming device... to disable the device."
Electronic Counter Counter Measures
@Angry_Youth : Being able to type coherent sentences and choosing not is what bugs me about bad spellers. Complete retards, I let them get away with it.
"This is false. If we're comparing manufacturing, operational, and maintenance costs of raptors to hornets, sure, but raptors are nothing like existing fixed wing jets."
RQ-1 / MQ-1 Predator Unit cost ~ $4.5 million
F-22 Raptor Unit cost US$150 million
Add to that that the maintenance is super cheap, many if not all the parts easily swapped, and that you can afford to have 15 taken out without a single friendly casualty, and still being cheaper t |
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 SvampeBob
Male, 18-29, Europe
3088 Posts
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Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:50:14 AM
LazyMe484
that's my dream, but that would mean no need to fight ether, because it's only robots and yeah China, Japan and Korea would hold the balls of the rest of the world since they are the one actually producing the parts :P
see this video, I don't know if it was posted here, but it's a beautiful song.
Matisyahu - One Day |
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 Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:53:07 PM
raptor = predator in the below typo. |
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Scuzoid
Male, 30-39, Western US
1270 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:49:01 PM
"Drones are extremely cost effective. A drone is much cheaper to acquire and to operate than a manned aircraft."
This is false. If we're comparing manufacturing, operational, and maintenance costs of raptors to hornets, sure, but raptors are nothing like existing fixed wing jets. They're essentially helicopters. They're slow as piss and easily taken out with SAM's. Comparing them to black hawk's, and the singular, albeit substantial, benefit in using one for a mission a black hawk could've performed is the lack of service member risk. |
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AngryYouth
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
736 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:31:07 PM
@LazyMe484 You can not confirm that there are no existing threats to the national security of the United States. Additionally, a standing army is a deterrent against aggression from others.
I love how you pretend to know about things that you know nothing about.
Drones are extremely cost effective. A drone is much cheaper to acquire and to operate than a manned aircraft. It also costs over a million dollars to train a pilot to fly manned aircraft. The usage of drones is an effort to save money.
P.S. You can learn a lot about a person by the way they write. I'm not just referring to the content of what they say; I'm also referring to how well they write. Your sentence structure and grammar are pathetic.
If English isn't your first language, this is forgivable. However, if English is your first language, you should be ashamed. When people want what they say to be taken seriously, they articulate what they are saying well. |
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 Enjin
Male, 30-39, Asia
731 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:21:28 PM
I was expecting some kill cam footage. :(
Could have just posted a jpg. |
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 LazyMe484
Male, 18-29, Canada
10503 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:09:28 PM
First off... war is bad, no matter what.
Next, America you spend way too much on your military, and I mean waaay too much. There exists no threat to you existing, potential or theoretical great enough to justify the expense.
Having said that, I highly approve of this unmanned warfare, drones and the like. It is a great leap forward to be able to fight and win wars without ever risking the lives of actual people. It points to a bright future where in wars just don't happen or they happen at a purely automated level where the first one to run out of unmanned drones surrenders as to not endanger actual people.
And what a devastating effect this could have on underdeveloped extremist militants! To think that not only are you outgunned and outnumbered, you never actually get to fight the enemy.
If there was a movement to turn all armed forces into robots, I would be behind it in a heartbeat.
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piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3202 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 5:10:32 PM
Oldfrt what you say can be right but who is the good guy, who is the bad guy? Who decide that? And what happen if the supposed bad guy take control of this toy? And if all start to have this toy in the hands?.........Skynet? |
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 Oldfrt
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
611 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:43:29 PM
@piperfawn, I await your unleashed wrath with anticipation. 
Maybe you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. If it is easy to target and kill bad guys with limited risks, maybe the bad guys will think twice before doing bad things. It's not just the ability to wage war from a distance, it's also the ability to be more accurate. If the bad guys feel like they have a target on their backs, they will be motivated to be not so bad, hopefully avoiding a larger conflict with more widespread death and destruction. I would hope that anyone immature enough to say "Look, a cool gun! Let's go shoot someone" would not be in a position of power to be able to do so. |
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Kodyo
Male, 18-29, Southern US
225 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:36:49 PM
@liberkaos
I'm by no means an expert, but generally when you program something you make sure all errors are addressed appropriately. IE: an error would occur if the drone lost connection and an appropriate action would take place to recover the drone. Everything is hackable, obviously, but I doubt many people (if any) could do it in the time necessary to take control of it. |
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piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
3202 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:30:27 PM
@Oldfrt
Allow me to kidding a bit....
I'm just waiting that anti piperfawn bandwagon is full to unchain my drone and bomb you all from my desk.XD
In any case beyond a rifle or a spear in battlefield there is allways a man,who control the drone is not in the battlefield. I think that this kind of military equipment can only create more wars cause if we get used to remote control war will be more easy for us to accept and spread wars.Far from the eyes far from the heart.
@Batmanners i've ever sad that terrorists are not cowards? |
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liberkaos
Male, 30-39, Europe
114 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:16:13 PM
Drones. I wonder how long it will take some innovative desperate people to make a ecm or some kind of jamming device... to disable the device. One could always use the independance day way, but that would require a mac, a virus AND a captured UFO... but jamming? Could it be done? |
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 parkm
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
918 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:19:24 PM
RdDan-You know what else does? A knife. It's not the weapon you use, it's the accuracy and discretion with which you use it.
piperfawn- War isn't meant to be a competition to show who's got the biggest balls, it's meant to stop your enemy from killing your guys or the people you're protecting. |
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 Cowboysrgr8
Male, 18-29, Southern US
21 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 3:02:43 PM
This thing is nothing compared to the Boeing Phantom Ray stealth attack drone. Capable of Mach 0.8, has a ceiling of 40,000', and an operational range of 1,200 miles. Also, it can do everything from taxiing, takeoff, mission, and landing without a human interface; just plug in what it needs to attack and away it goes.
Video and an article below
Boeing Phantom Ray |
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 RdDan
Male, 30-39, Europe
688 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 2:41:27 PM
I'll tell you what, those drones are fantastic at killing civilians, especially women and kids.
Hearts and minds people, hearts and minds |
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 RyanF701
Male, 18-29, Western US
2558 Posts
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Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:34:42 PM
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So this just mean that now war is done by "cowards" that kill people with a remote control. Really no honour."
Go ahead and join the army and go rushing at an unseen enemy with a sword, since you seem like one of those kinds of people.. hope you had a nice life. If you already were in the military, I'm assuming you fired a gun. COWARD, you were attempting to kill something by pressing a trigger. Why didn't you go punch it to death? Oh that's right, because you're a pussy by your own logic. |
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