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Robbery Victim To Face Life In Prison [w/Video]

Hits: 16943 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Gerry1of1
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chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 682 Posts
Tuesday, July 05, 2011 5:50:04 PM
shooting a guy robbing your store=self defense
getting a second gun to shoot an unarmed unconscious kid=doucebag.He lied about almost everything he did, innocent people don't tell lies to cover up the truth.For reals people, if you don't read at least 75% of the article, don't comment, it just lets us know that you are a douchebag too.Say it after me people TL;DR;CC Too long;Didn't Read;Can't Comment.Its like you are saying, i don't have to have a clue what i am saying, but since its me you should listen to my completely ignorant opinion.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Tuesday, May 31, 2011 12:40:59 PM
Not for life but for some time.

chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 682 Posts
Tuesday, May 31, 2011 10:16:43 AM
shooting a guy robbing your store=self defense
getting a second gun to shoot an unarmed unconscious kid=doucebag.He lied about almost everything he did, innocent people don't tell lies to cover up the truth.For reals people, if you don't read at least 75% of the article, don't comment, it just lets us know that you are a douchebag too.Say it after me people TL;DR;CC Too long;Didn't Read;Can't Comment.Its like you are saying, i don't have to have a clue what i am saying, but since its me you should listen to my completely ignorant opinion.

ak4775
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 369 Posts
Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:56:48 AM
I was shocked when I first read this. Then I see that he came back and pumped five rounds into his unconscious body. Sorry, but that's murder. As the law defines it anyway.

cuthere2
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 314 Posts
Monday, May 30, 2011 3:56:19 PM
Really? Show me where I "keep changing". SHould be easy if what you say is true. Rather, you keep reading between the lines and making assumptions.

What you are mistaking (Shocked I even have to explain this) for "changing" is I have not given a bunch of details, and have been forced to clarify as you attempt to fill in the blanks with foolish rhetoric.

Sad I have to explain this, as most adults have the common sense to pick up on what is being said. You apparently do not, and now take the opportunity to claim I am "changing." Pretty sad actually.

But let's see your proof of all this "changing."

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11627 Posts
Monday, May 30, 2011 12:39:11 PM
The whole point to my posts and the posts of the gentleman you formerly replied to is that when someone threatens the LIFE of another, he better be prepared for the consequences. Poking a neighbor is not threatening the life of anyone.


You keep changing the basic details of what you think should be allowed and you keep pretending that you haven't.

Thank goodness you don't write laws.

cuthere2
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 314 Posts
Monday, May 30, 2011 3:26:57 AM
"Only if you're hallucinating, because that's exactly what he wrote. It might not have been what he meant to write, but it is what he wrote."

What was the point to you typing this? It's what I just said, that he wrote one thing, but obviously meant another. What an odd way to echo what I just said. If it makes you feel good to "correct" someone by repeating what they just said, then ok.

Onto the rest of your post. A violent, armed crime is quite different from the "poking" in your goofy scenario.

The whole point to my posts and the posts of the gentleman you formerly replied to is that when someone threatens the LIFE of another, he better be prepared for the consequences. Poking a neighbor is not threatening the life of anyone.

Participating in an armed robbery is. I've clearly stated this multiple times in this thread. This kid participated, and assisted. A round was chambered in the gun. Hmmm... Why would that be?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11627 Posts
Sunday, May 29, 2011 4:32:01 PM
Quite obvious he didn't.


Only if you're hallucinating, because that's exactly what he wrote. It might not have been what he meant to write, but it is what he wrote. Which is why I replied "You probably didn't mean what you've just written. I hope you didn't."

I'm sure what he meant was "in the act of committing a violent crime."


Better, but not much. You're still advocating total removal of the idea of reasonable force.

Here's an example of scenarios that would be fine under your proposal:

Two neighbors get into an argument over the position of a boundary fence. During the row, one of them pokes the other, who responds by knocking them down with a fencepost and then hammering it through their heart into the ground, killing them.

Someone insults someone else, who slaps them. The first person responds by beating them to death.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11627 Posts
Sunday, May 29, 2011 4:23:06 PM
Angilion: You're basically accusing him of being an 'executioner',


No, I'm accusing him of being a murderer. Executioners get paid for killing people on the orders of people with enough authority in the organisation they work for.

So let's look at the facts for a minute shall we ?


Yes, let us do so.

He shot someone in the head and as a result dismissed them as no longer being a threat, which was why he wasn't bothered about turning his back on them and ignoring them. Afterwards, he picked up another weapon and shot them 5 times at close range.

An executioner would've put the barrel of the gun to the robber's head and shot once.


Probably so, but irrelevant.

RuralNinja
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 521 Posts
Sunday, May 29, 2011 12:34:33 PM
Thats why you need to learn to kill in two or three shots max. Needing to use a whole magazine to do the job will only get you in trouble.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17293 Posts
Sunday, May 29, 2011 10:08:38 AM
... perceived threats.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17293 Posts
Sunday, May 29, 2011 10:07:16 AM
Angilion: You're basically accusing him of being an 'executioner', So let's look at the facts for a minute shall we ?

Firstly: He's a licensed and registered pharmacist working in a pharmacy for a living, That means he's used to saving people's lives, not taking them.

Secondly: He bought the gun(s) for some reason, most likely the pharmacy had been robbed before by crackheads or similar idiots. I'm sure he knew that strung out drug fiends rarely feel pain and can continue to attack you even if severely wounded.

Thirdly: This all 'went down' within a minute, He didn't reload, He grabbed the second gun because he was out of bullets, then he seen the second shooter. He reacted to the 2nd threat the same as he did the first, He fired all his bullets. An executioner would've put the barrel of the gun to the robber's head and shot once.

Those aren't the typical actions of an 'executioner', those are the actions of a frightened man reacting to perceived th

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17293 Posts
Sunday, May 29, 2011 9:48:28 AM

BrimstoneOne
Male, 30-39, Canada
 2239 Posts
Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:30:56 AM
Murder is murder, no matter how you or anyone else justifies it.

cuthere2
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 314 Posts
Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:01:56 AM
"
You've just stated that shopkeepers should be legally allowed to kill children who shoplift and that Sony et alia should be allowed to kill people who pirate music, videos or whatever. Just two examples off the top of my head."


Quite obvious he didn't. I'm sure what he meant was "in the act of committing a violent crime." You know, just as these 2 kids were doing. They walked in, a gun was involved, a round was chambered.

They were off to an early start as criminals.

Milo_Pretzel
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 183 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:56:21 PM
Angilion - I wish my boyfriend debated/gets his points across like you.

DNF1234
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:54:50 PM
Good riddance to dead n1gg3rs. So this guy enjoyed wasting those n1gg3rs a little bit. Who wouldn't? That doesn't mean he wasn't acting in self defense. If a n1gg3r waves a gun around threatening people, what does he think will happen? Kudos to this pharmacist. If everybody pitched in and shot n1gg3rs dead when they try to steal 5h1t, there'd be a lot less crime. FACT.

squoggle
Female, 18-29, Europe
 159 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:17:46 PM
Ok none of the people on here have got that 'criminal mind' belief have they? Taking out the trash wtf!!!!

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11627 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:39:51 PM
If you are killed in the act of committing a crime, the person you tried to victimize who killed you should not suffer any punishment.


You probably didn't mean what you've just written. I hope you didn't.

You've just stated that shopkeepers should be legally allowed to kill children who shoplift and that Sony et alia should be allowed to kill people who pirate music, videos or whatever. Just two examples off the top of my head.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11627 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:35:38 PM
I have never used any site which allows comments and which handles them as badly as IAB. Children could knock up something better as coursework on a computer studies course.

Anyway, here's the last paragraph, including the bits that IAB pretended to accept and instead just discarded:

He was killing someone in revenge. Which isn't reckless endangerment. He wasn't being reckless - he was acting deliberately with a clear objective - and he wasn't showing a lack of care for human life - he was carefully ending it.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11627 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:31:59 PM
Revenge requires 'gross recklessness showing lack of care for human life'.


That's a definition of reckless endangerment, not revenge.

Defence laws don't require calm thought, but a planned killing after incapacitating the attacker is not the same as using a bit too much force in a panic.

He was protecting himself and his employees from armed robbers that had fired at him first. He's a hero not a villain, 'nuff said.


Bollocks.

When he fired the first shot, he was defending himself and others.

When he went away, repeatedly turning his back on the person he'd shot *and already judged to be no longer a threat*, got another weapon and shot him 5 times at close range, he wasn't defending anyone from anything.

He was killing someone in revenge. Which isn't reckless endangerment. He was being reckless - he was acting deliberately with a clear objective - and he wasn't showing a lack of care for hu

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11627 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 8:18:55 PM
I guess robbery at gunpoint is socially acceptable in europe. When someone points a weapon at you intetionally in order to intimidate or force compliance, that is an outright threat of the greatest degree. They can willingly or unwillingly take your life at any moment. That, my friend, is cause enough for you to use deadly force in order to protect yourself and/or the lives of innocents around you.


I don't guess that you're monumentally ignorant of this case and laughably nationalist. I don't need to guess because you've just made it very obvious.

You have no idea what the relevant law is anywhere in Europe and you have no idea what happened in this case in the USA. So why are you so proudly parading your ignorance?

chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 682 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 7:34:01 PM
shooting a guy robbing your store=self defense
getting a second gun to shoot an unarmed unconscious kid=doucebag.He lied about almost everything he did, innocent people don't tell lies to cover up the truth.For reals people, if you don't read at least 75% of the article, don't comment, it just lets us know that you are a douchebag too.Say it after me people TL;DR;CC Too long;Didn't Read;Can't Comment.Its like you are saying, i don't have to have a clue what i am saying, but since its me you should listen to my completely ignorant opinion.

Ska_Machine
Male, 13-17, Canada
 154 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 6:47:04 PM
Totally backing up the shopkeeper, for gods sake is it that big a deal if the robber got killed? His bloody decision to start the situation, does an extra couple shots in the body really that big a deal

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24737 Posts
Saturday, May 28, 2011 5:36:40 PM
He was guilty of overkill, if anything has be learned from online gaming, you dont shoot them when there on the ground you tea bag them :)

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