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Pervy Priests

Hits: 16144 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: kitteh9lives
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lerie
Female, 18-29, S. America
 1271 Posts
Sunday, May 22, 2011 9:19:22 PM
I agree, Catholic priests should be prosecuted as any other child molester. But, why don't we look into other religions? Better, why don't we look into all institutions? Every single institution uses power to abuse children in every single way.

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Saturday, May 21, 2011 8:49:19 AM
@Angilion Sorry, I can't find it because I have forgotten too many of the specifics that would narrow the search. Someone sent me a link a few years ago. It may have been a will detailing a list of possessins owned by a farmer but I may be thinking of another document. Old age is catching up with me... My memory is letting me down.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10534 Posts
Friday, May 20, 2011 4:19:36 PM
Oops, my mistake. I misread your reference to "written in Latin but had irish in the margins" as applying to the document you originally referred to, when you clearly wrote that it referred to the document you linked to.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10534 Posts
Friday, May 20, 2011 4:14:32 PM
The document in my link was written in Latin but had irish in the margins. I should have mentioned that.


Hmm...Christian writing with Irish notes? There were a fair few literate clerics in Ireland in the "dark ages", monks and suchlike.

Or was it a more historically interesting day to day sort of thing, like a letter? The 1st century British writing I referred to is fascinating precisely because it's mundane - that gives a more of an insight into people's lives, which is historically valuable.

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Friday, May 20, 2011 4:33:17 AM
The document in my link was written in Latin but had irish in the margins. I should have mentioned that.

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Friday, May 20, 2011 4:31:50 AM
@Angilion This is not the document I was thinking of but a much later one but it might be of interest to you.

Example of old Irish Document

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Friday, May 20, 2011 4:18:40 AM
@Angilion I'll have a look and see if I can get a reference. It was a few years ago that I came across this. It is noteworthy that the document was in Irish because we tended to use Latin in those days as the "common" language all countries spoke. I'll get back to you on the ref.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:24:18 AM
Cheers Baal, reading just now.

Only two pages which is kinda shocking for me.

OH EM GEE tl;dr!! :P

phoneybone
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1750 Posts
Thursday, May 19, 2011 1:00:31 AM
wait wait wait wait
Just wait a minute
the Catholic church is corrupt!? WAAAAAAAT!?

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:58:29 PM
Not a repost since I watched it again. Hey, I wonder how many of these commentative diatribes were already posted here!?

P.S. - original caption was more cleverer.

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 9:07:57 PM
@Tedgp:
"Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadn't have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages"

Very intelligent assertion....dumbass.

Tell that to the Chinese who developed rockets in 900AD and the Mongolians who furthered it with cast-iron development in the 1700's. Fact is the Chinese had rudimentary computers that tracked the planets and seasons at the same time as the with the Romans who did the same.

Major failure.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16145 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:03:41 PM
Baal: As advanced as islamic science/math knowledge used to be, It took a backward turn after the reconquest of Spain. So much so now that most muslim countries, that aren't formerly soviet countries, have a literacy rate well below Europe & America. Only Kuwait, The Maldives, and the former soviet republics rise above 90% literacy.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10534 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:29:22 PM
Bah, I made a mistake. The oldest extant written documents in Britain date back to 95AD. The place they were found was built in 78AD.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10534 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:24:44 PM
Don't forget Ireland. We were called "The land of Saints and Scholars" in those times. We established colleges all over Europe and if memory serves the oldest written document on paper in Europe is written in the Irish language.


Cool...what is it?

Although if it's on paper it can't be that old. Paper was invented in China and kept secret until, IIRC, about 700AD and it didn't make it to Europe until some time afterwards.

The oldest extant written (as opposed to carved) documents from Britain that I know of off the top of my head were written in 78AD and I'm sure there are older in Europe. How far back does the Irish one go? Also, how was it preserved? I like the details like that. It's amazing how long some things can last. Carved stone, sure, it's not surprising that can last for millenia, but stuff written by hand with ink on wood or parchment? It's fascinating knowing why it's still here.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10534 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:12:14 PM
The loss of those two libraries alone set scientific development back enormously. They weren't only libraries, they were also places of learning.

The great library of Alexandria held a million items. This was 2000 years ago, when everything was hand written and a collection of 100 books was noteworthy. Their stated objective was to have a copy of every written thing in the world of any scholarly interest and they had stuff from as far afield as India. It was the head of an entire city-state, to the extent that it had the authority and power to seize any writing anyone brought into the city for long enough to copy it. We don't even know what knowledge was lost when it was destroyed.

The library of Baghdad was similar. It's said that the river ran black with ink for a week when it was destroyed. Again, we don't even know what knowledge was lost.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 10534 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:02:44 PM
Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadnt have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages


I doubt it. We're a long, long way from being able to explore the galaxy and religion failed to hold scientific development back all that much. It did damage, certainly, but not as much as it might have done. Bigger setbacks were the decline of ancient Greece (home to massive advances in knowledge and education) and the destruction of the library of Alexandria (the biggest store of knowledge in the world and a major university), the collapse of the Roman empire (which spread knowledge and literacy and imposed the stability necessary for sustained education and gaining of knowledge) and the Mongol invasion of what's now Iraq, especially the destruction of the library of Baghdad (Arabic scholarship was built on the Greek and that library was akin to what the one at Alexandria had been ~1300 years ea

Negativitron
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 66 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 6:01:14 PM
The catholic church is too busy promoting AIDS in Africa to turn in pedophiles.

IceDragon77
Male, 18-29, Western US
 498 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:58:20 PM
This makes me glad i'm not catholic.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:24:47 PM
Blouhn:
Kinda. The reason you use Arabic numerals is because the west learned math from the Arabs, but that initial work was done by India (which is why Arabs use Indian numerals. Also, they invented zero but not uniquely. :))

blounsb999
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 183 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:39:11 PM
Baalthazag, don't forget arabic numerals and the whole concept of zero.

bacon_pie
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2819 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:19:39 PM
...and that's why i'm not catholic.

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:49:08 PM
@Baalthazaq Don't forget Ireland. We were called "The land of Saints and Scholars" in those times. We established colleges all over Europe and if memory serves the oldest written document on paper in Europe is written in the Irish language.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:31:34 PM
Tedgp:
"Heres a point to ponder for a moment. We would be exploring the galaxy now, if we hadnt have been held back by religion for hundreds of years during the middle ages"

1) That's not how science works.

2) The idea that there is a "gap" is a myth. The Islamic Empire continued the progression while the dark ages occurred. The renaissance was basically a result of a reclamation of that knowledge, and then further development. That's why you use the Arabic words like Al-Jibra, and Al-Chemy. (Wikipedia: Islamic Golden Age).

3) I assume you'll be converting to Islam now, or will we not be using horrifically simplified histories on which to base worldviews?

4) If you tell someone to "ponder" something, sometimes they will, and you'll look silly if you've not done enough pondering.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:22:39 PM
Here we go.

My old post on the topic back in 2009. Only two pages which is kinda shocking for me.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:53:38 PM
And gimme a minute almighty, I'll go look up the last time I put up sources on this on IAB doing a comparison. It did include per capita iirc.

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