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Condoleezza Rice Can't Escape Activists

Hits: 14692 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12085 Posts
Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:40:09 PM
"One million people died in Iraq, Crakr." WHEN?! I hope you aren't talking about US caused civilian fatalities. That's like, 100k? War is hell.

Only 100,000 civilian casualties? Sorry, that's not so bad then.

SOOOOOOOOOOOO no. Iraq was legal, and approved by the UN.

The invasion of Iraq was entirely illegal under international law, and you're a f*cking liar for saying otherwise AJ.

davymid: I'm NOT condoning water boarding, I'm being comparative and subjective. No one has died from being water boarded in Gitmo, Nor have any of them been left with scars

No, they're entirely healthy after their ordeal.

Dude, you missed your calling. You should have worked for MI5 in Northern Ireland, where I grew up. You would have been in your element.

zombunny
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2524 Posts
Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:21:49 PM
I am horrified by the way everyone immediately reacted by shouting "shut up!" and "get out of here!". Heaven forbid someone should stand up for what's right in this godforsaken country.

Mr_Pedo_Bear
Male, 70 & Over, Southern US
 973 Posts
Saturday, May 14, 2011 3:19:37 AM
Want to protest go for it... outside the building, scream shout picket go nuts. But she was invited for a speech, was inside giving a lecture to people and should be given courtesy to give the speech.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17299 Posts
Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:34:48 AM
davymid: I'm NOT condoning water boarding, I'm being comparative and subjective. No one has died from being water boarded in Gitmo, Nor have any of them been left with scars, or damaged physically at all. Once again, insurgents/terrorists do NOT have Geneva convention protections under international law.

Student_Law: Wikipedia states that only 22,313– 23,826 insurgents are dead due to US military action. You failed to mention that the million deaths, that you quoted, have came from suicide bombings and insurgents killing civilians, NOT coalition forces.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10159 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 11:42:58 PM
"Nobody really has any good answers as to why Iraq was attaced."

The beginning of the war was based on bad British Intelligence, which at the time had the locations, and types, of WMD. When this info was found to be erroneous (and we were already at full power at the time), the focus of the war shifted to finding Saddam at the behest of the Iraqi people (yes they asked us to stay and find him) so he could be put on trial for the murder of the Kurds.

SOOOOOOOOOOOO no. Iraq was legal, and approved by the UN.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10159 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 11:40:06 PM
"One million people died in Iraq, Crakr."

WHEN?!

I hope you aren't talking about US caused civilian fatalities. That's like, 100k? War is hell.

Student_Law
Male, 30-39, Europe
 966 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 10:46:54 PM
"Calling 'water boarding' torture is spurious at best, Compared to what John McCain endured in Vietnam it's a cakewalk. "

Ok. International law calls waterboarding torture. USA, after having their own soldiers waterboarded by the Japanese military sentenced the Japanese to death by hanging, for torture by waterboarding. One got 15 years of hard labour.
As i recall, some of what Obama said when he ran for office, was to "end torture on Guantanamo". In conclution, most Americans probably consider waterboarding torture.

Waterboarding is pouring water into a persons respiratory system. This will cause a person to drown. It is EXTREMELY painful. It causes damage to the lungs. Some people don't survive torture. People have been tortured to death in Guantanamo. And not just adults.
Kids too.

Student_Law
Male, 30-39, Europe
 966 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 10:32:04 PM
@CrakrJak:
One million people died in Iraq, Crakr. Now, people have died in other places too. Somalia. And yes, Libya and so on. I agree that these are dodgy schemes that both Clinton and Obama (alongside with European governments) have pulled off. We have troops in Afghanistan as well. The civilian population is suffering more than ever, and we are no saints. But you can't let that distort your perspective on the Iraq war, not to speak of Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib. They are/were concentration camps. People are still locked in there. No trial. No jury. No future.

Nobody really has any good answers as to why Iraq was attaced. But it was in violation of international law, and it was an extremely violent attack on a civil population and it's sovereignty. Now you can try and run away from this argument all you want by trying to disturb the debate with your constant derailment. But the fact remain the same: Bush is a war criminal.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12085 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 10:12:21 PM
vv Wait, did Crakrjak just condone waterboarding? Wow, I'm going to pretend I didn't just read that.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17299 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 9:51:43 PM
Trojan: There is no evidence that KSM ever gave any viable intel, But others have. That is why confessions like those that lead us to Bin Laden need to be verified by different sources. Calling 'water boarding' torture is spurious at best, Compared to what John McCain endured in Vietnam it's a cakewalk.

CoyoteKing
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2994 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 9:04:20 PM
lol, silly activists. these people so quick to criticize the bush admin and then adore a president that got a noble "peace" prize for doing nothing at the time of it being awarded, continued a war in both Iraq and Afghanistan, killed a man in cold blood to prove that we are better people than they are (bin laden), and then started sticking our noses in places they don't belong like Libya. enjoy your new president and his new war efforts... drating ignorant hypocrites

Trojan
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 512 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 9:00:10 PM
Actually CrakrJak, intel gained via torture didn't help us get bin Laden at all. In the 180 times Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was tortured, he gave pooty information every time. And even if they got something true, they certainly wouldn't launch an extrajudicial operation in a foreign country based on it.

RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 440 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 4:03:10 PM
"One thing about republicans is if they can't win fairly, they'll cheat."

Don't act like only Republicans do that. The way our last Congress passed legislation was pathetic. That is a silly blanket statement that applies to corrupt politicians, not an entire party.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1266 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 2:31:53 PM
It is pure ignorant bigotry to call Rice a war criminal. Students are such idiots so often.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17299 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 2:17:14 PM
AGit: The application of interrogation, not torture, got us the intelligence of Bin Laden's couriers name, which in turn lead us to him in Pakistan.

Insurgents/Terrorists do not have the same rights as a nations soldiers during war time, That is made clear in the Geneva convention.

If Obama hadn't been waffling the past two years on Gitmo and where and how about the prosecutions, The trials would be done and over with by now.

And I have yet to hear of a terrorist that we've captured executed without trial, Unless you are referring to Osama Bin Laden who threw his wife at the Seal Team, and was shot rather than face the humiliation of capture. (Most islamists like him would rather be martyred anyways)

Rogan
Female, 18-29, Canada
 46 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 1:54:13 PM
Yayyyyy!

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10159 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 1:01:45 PM
@david: While I can understand the sentiment, he was not a leader of a sovereign nation, or a diplomat, therefore Geneva rules on assassination do not apply to him.

davidildo123
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 143 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 12:51:58 PM
>>>Ok CrakrJak, I admit that as she hasn't been convicted, the fact that I said she was a war criminal is a personal belief and nothing more<<<

and a wrong belief at that. Where is the outrage at Obama for assasinating Bin Laden? Sounds like a criminal act to me.


auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10159 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 12:07:55 PM
i live in the United States where we protested en masse for weeks and it didn't do anything

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It did everything. Democrats in the House of Representatives are rushing through legislation right now to limit the damage of the general election which they are about to experience. One thing about Democrats is if they can't win fairly, they'll cheat.

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Hey look Madest. I copied this from last year around the healthcare vote. Looks awfully similar hahahaha.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13541 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 11:56:36 AM
i used to have such a positive view of Europeans......


You're new here aren't you WELCOME!!

AGit
Male, 30-39, Europe
 963 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 11:16:59 AM
"Oh look. All things Obama is doing right now, as we speak!"

I never said he wasn't, did I?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10159 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 11:10:26 AM
"application of torture, forced reclusion without pressing charges, invasion of foreign countries and execution without trial all in the name of freedom and democracy is a very good definition of hypocrisy"

Oh look. All things Obama is doing right now, as we speak!

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24740 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 11:06:53 AM
somebody wants attention

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 11:05:37 AM
i live in wisconsin where we protested en masse for weeks and it didn't do anything

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It did everything. Republicans in Wisconsin are rushing through legislation right now to limit the damage of the recall elections which they are about to experience. One thing about republicans is if they can't win fairly, they'll cheat.

AGit
Male, 30-39, Europe
 963 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 10:57:35 AM
Ok CrakrJak, I admit that as she hasn't been convicted, the fact that I said she was a war criminal is a personal belief and nothing more.
However, the fact that you defend the application of torture, forced reclusion without pressing charges, invasion of foreign countries and execution without trial all in the name of freedom and democracy is a very good definition of hypocrisy, don't you think?

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