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Why Stitches Cost $1,500 At The Hospital [Pic]

Hits: 26664 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 3:33:36 PM
This article is disingenuous.

For a start under malpractice they only consider the minor effect. What is not considered is the excessive caution and extra tests carried out, or the extra medication and procedures.

The non-myths given are all basically true (apart from the outpatient bit). However they largely occur because of restrictions and regulations, such as lack of a national market in health insurance. Competition would to a great degree resolve these problems in the absence of government interference, along with dealing with the high costs of medical degrees.

As for outpatient care, the NHS has increased it to reduce costs, so this one makes no sense at all.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 3:18:19 PM
Retarded bear

Unfortunately you are right, it doesn't work in Britain. Emergency care is slow, whether or not their is a particular surge of urgent patients, waffle about traffic accidents or heart attacks is meaningless.

Less urgent care is worse.

I was earning a rather modest amount but was forced to pay for private care, having already paid for NHS through my taxes. I paid about £400 to resolve a back injury. I could not wait 9 weeks for NHS care as I was not only in constant pain but could not work much but was only paid when I worked. That year alone £600 of my taxes went to the NHS, yet I could not use them for my back pain. I also had to put off dental care as no local practices would accept more NHS patients. So I got nothing for that £600.

Cancer survival rates in the UK are some of the lowest in the developed world. In the USA they are among the highest.

RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 440 Posts
Friday, May 13, 2011 9:04:57 AM
"You're comparing two very different scenarios."

I realize the difference, and if it works that well in England, then that is great. In America, government hardly ever does anything right. We like for the dollar to decide, not a bureaucrat, and I personally believe that the government should do what ONLY the government can do. The rest should be left up to the private sector.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:29:29 AM
RETARDEDBEAR:

You're comparing two very different scenarios. A broken toe stemming directly from a straightforward accident is very different medically from severe abdominal pain without known cause, particularly when one of a variety of simple tests by someone with relevant knowledge indicates appendicitis.

I was, of course, triaged very quickly. As you were. Triage rightly gave you very high priority and me low priority.

I can supply an example of how the NHS works in the same situation you described because someone I know recently had acute appendicitis. They were quite suddenly in a fair bit of pain at home, so they called a doctor to their home. The doctor examined them, diagnosed appendicitis and immediately sent them to hospital, where they were operated on straight away.

Bottom line:

Medical situations can vary extremely in terms of seriousness. Any sensible hospital service will practice triage.

elgrappa
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 96 Posts
Thursday, May 12, 2011 12:45:13 AM
true dat!! Corporate greed is the story of our lives

RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 440 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:46:27 PM
"I once waited 4 hours in A&E...Amazingly, people coming in from traffic accidents and with heart attacks were given priority over me! Broken Britain, WE ARE ALL DOOMED!"

I once went to the hospital complaining of bad stomach cramps. I thought I was just sick, and I even told them I didn't think it was serious. Regardless, a doctor met with me immediately. After performing a few simple tests he told me he suspected I had appendicitis. I rejected this notion, but he insisted that I should go to surgery right away. Finally, I gave in, and I was taken straight to surgery.

Turns out, my appendix had exploded, was gangrenous, and I spent 2 weeks recovering. Insurance paid the $23k bill. If I had been forced to wait any substantial amount of time, I would have died. So... I believe in our system.

RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 440 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:37:23 PM
"On the other I am for slowly phasing out an antiquated system."

There is no doubt that the metric system makes more sense, but there is a good reason why we haven't switched yet, and it is the almighty dollar.

keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2573 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:29:28 PM
Greed, greed, and more greed. SO MUCH could be fixed in this country, and everywhere else in the world, if people weren't so damn greedy. Really, it is out of control.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:20:23 PM
LOL @ Ang

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:38:51 PM
Yes, They have proven to be bankrupting many countries and causing people to have to wait months to see a real doctor.


Yeah, I always have to wait months to see a real doctor.

No, wait, it's minutes, not months. Must be a confusion in different measuring systems.

Unless I wander into a surgery when it's busy and I don't have anything immediately seriously wrong with me. Then it might be as long as an hour and a half! In a comfy chair. Oh my goodness what a calamity!

Of course, if it was serious I'd go to A&E at a hospital instead, where I'd get triaged straight away.

I once waited 4 hours in A&E. I'd broken a little toe and I wasn't sure what to do about it. Amazingly, people coming in from traffic accidents and with heart attacks were given priority over me! Broken Britain, WE ARE ALL DOOMED!

I came over all Daily Mail at the end there.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:29:30 PM
I've read dozens of medical horror stories in the UK's 'Daily Mail'


There's your problem.

It's a good rule of thumb to assume that anything and everything in the Daily Mail is untrue. Really, it is that bad. It exists for the purpose of promoting fear and anger and the truth comes a very poor second to that purpose. For example, every other day they print another scare story about something else that causes cancer. They're over 1000 now, with everything from light bulbs to tea.

AbiElectric
Female, 18-29, Europe
 173 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:33:15 PM
Thank god for the NHS. :) And whoever gets their news from the Daily Mail is a class A idiot.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10287 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:44:31 PM
medical horror stories in the UK's 'Daily Mail'


Oh yes and I get great relationship advice from COSMO and The Globe.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10287 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:43:14 PM
Do you honestly believe that shutting down a facility for days or weeks to recalibrate machines is a job creating action? All it does it cause production to suffer, and in return, profits.


On the other I am for slowly phasing out an antiquated system.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10287 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:41:42 PM
[quote">If we were to force a switch, it would cause a lot of confusion and extra work[/quote">

Hmm lets see now

12in = 1ft
5280ft = 1mi
3ft = 1yd
or...
100cm = 1m
10mm = cm
1000m = 1km

There was one little project NASA CLEARLY WANTED TO USE METRIC but instead GOT SCREWED WITH ENGLISH.

It would cause confusion short-term but save a lot in the long run because we only need to worry about powers of 10.

We already use metric to a degree America.
We pay by the kilo-Watt-hour and medical system uses either ccs (cm^3) or mg.

Even electron microscopes use nm or micrometers.

Garu
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 564 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:15:43 PM
HAARP causes two more earth quakes in Spain. Hope that health care is pretty good. I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT ANY OF THIS SH*T. 2012 bitches.

Garu
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 564 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:12:14 PM
Yay, France. Drinking 13L per. capita, LIKE A BOSS! @ NitroJunkie: GTFO, countdown over. HAHAHAHAHAHA

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:17:45 AM
I've read dozens of medical horror stories in the UK's 'Daily Mail'

You're getting your news on the UK from the Daily Mail? Well thank you Crakrjak, that explains a lot.

RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 440 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:27:24 AM
"American Capitalism is broken. It is an obvious fact."

Oh really? What makes it obvious?

Is it the fact that we have the largest economy in the world? Is it the fact that we produce the most advanced technology? Is it the fact that we are obviously the most powerful country, and other countries look to us to help with virtually every problem?

Or maybe it is that you can be born poor and grow up to be CEO of a major corporation. Maybe it's broken because even poor people here have iPhone 4s and drive nice cars. Perhaps you think it's broken because I can purchase technology to start a business out of my home, and thrive as a self employed person.

Wait wait wait, no, I figured it out. It's broken because if you don't work, you will not succeed. Everyone should make the same amount, no matter how hard they work. Right?

RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 440 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:18:33 AM
"Were not, we are just the best at saying we are the best."

Nope, we are the best at everything. That includes saying we are the best.

"And if we did have to recalibrate the machines, how many people would that employ short term???"

Do you honestly believe that shutting down a facility for days or weeks to recalibrate machines is a job creating action? All it does it cause production to suffer, and in return, profits.

"Socialized healthcare works"

Of course it "works." That doesn't mean it works well, and it certainly doesn't make it the best system. You are trying to impose your own belief system on America, but Americans like to do things their own way. We aren't telling you not to have socialized medicine, and you don't have to move here.

NitroJunkie
Male, 70 & Over, Africa
 766 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:43:12 AM
yoda- I totally agree with you. I don't care if doctors earn millions, they deserve it. An actor? Sorry, Mr. Depp, you do NOT deserve another $50 MILLION for 'Pirates of the Caribbean 4: We Ran Out Of Ideas Before We Even Began'.

NitroJunkie
Male, 70 & Over, Africa
 766 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:39:41 AM
Fix our education system FIRST, then the healthcare system. We're overpopulated as it is. Besides, it'd help the recent unemployment rise drastically, as well. I'm not saying that we need to ignore our healthcare debacle, just that there is something a little more important first.
Someone here said something about Costa Rica being a beautiful place...I checked into it, and if I were able to, I'd be on my way there now.

(Que the over-enthusiastic, blind patriots telling me to GTFO in 3, 2, 1...)

kairobert
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1634 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:35:31 AM
"Whoever says American Capitalism is broken clearly does'nt live here!"

Secluded in your middle class house in your middle class neighbourhood?

DaShiVa
Male, 30-39, Australia
 42 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:30:51 AM
All the people saying 'Doctors aren't getting paid too much' are totally missing the point. Doctors are getting paid too much, on average. Sure a lot of doctors aren't, especially general doctors. The ones that are making too much, it's not that they should be making 'burger flipper' salary, but perhaps only 500k a year instead of 800k a year.
Anyhows, I'm an perm.t resident of the US curently. I work FT and have health insurance through my job. Bit I still won't see a doc here, and the one time I needed to I worked in a trip back to Aus to get it covered, as even _with_ insurance, I still can't afford it in the US. Insurance only covers perhaps half the costs, and the costs are over twice what they would be in Aus, even if Aus didn't have NHS, it'd still be cheaper even without insurance.
Also, From what I have heard from friends and family both in Aus and the US (Dallas vs Sydney) The quality of medical care is far better in Aus under government funding.
Also, Aus does pl

ericka225
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:16:32 AM
I had a throat infection a couple months ago.. i dont have insurance but my throat got so swollen and soar i couldn't talk so i when't to er. They gave me a steroid through iv and that made me throw up so they gave me something for that. He wrote me a prescription for an antibiotic n a pain killer.. cost $850.00

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