 RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 440 Posts
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Saturday, May 14, 2011 6:21:56 PM
"I can tell you checked up because you said "caught violating the law" in your earlier post, and now it's "lawful stop"."
I didn't have to "check up" on anything. A lawful stop generally means you have done something to violate the law.
"and yes, that covers stopping grandma on her way to the ice cream store."
No, it doesn't.
"which at least involves "reasonable suspicion" - though still not "caught violating the law"."
Reasonable suspicion... of having violated the law. It is the same thing. |
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 TrustyMadman
Male, 18-29, Canada
91 Posts
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Saturday, May 14, 2011 5:37:54 PM
Fense??? Really I-A-B... with all these Nazi's around? |
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 duffytoler
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
5220 Posts
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Friday, May 13, 2011 11:00:10 PM
Still getting it wrong, but I'm glad to see you finally checked up on it a little bit. I can tell you checked up because you said "caught violating the law" in your earlier post, and now it's "lawful stop".
The original version of the bill, which passed and was signed into law on April 23, 2010, used the phrase "lawful contact" - and yes, that covers stopping grandma on her way to the ice cream store.
The uproar from actual, real patriots in this country (as opposed to fascists in patriot drag) managed to get the wording changed to "Lawful Stop", which at least involves "reasonable suspicion" - though still not "caught violating the law".
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RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
440 Posts
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Friday, May 13, 2011 9:16:03 AM
How hard is it to prove that you are a citizen, if you really are a citizen? Who are you trying to protect when you say nobody should have to prove they are a citizen? |
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RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
440 Posts
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Friday, May 13, 2011 9:14:45 AM
"SB 1070 allows the police to stop you and demand to "see your papers" with NO CRIME COMMITTED, and without even "reasonable suspicion". Clear violation of the 4th amendment."
You left one key part out - it has to be during a lawful stop.
Generally that means you were committing some sort of traffic violation. They cannot, contrary to popular belief, stop grandma on her way to the ice cream store and demand proof of citizenship.
"Clear violation of the 4th amendment.
(not that I would expect a guy like you to have even a vague familiarity with the Constitution of the United States)"
I am familiar with the Constitution. Under the 4th amendment, you can be detained if you are suspected of having committed a crime. Being in this country illegally is committing a crime. Therefore, if an officer suspects you of being here illegally, he should be able to detain you until you can prove you are a citizen. |
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duffytoler
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
5220 Posts
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Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:54:30 PM
"caught violating the law" - ? Obviously you never bothered to check into it, you're just mindlessly parroting Glen Beck or one of your other conservitard icons. SB 1070 allows the police to stop you and demand to "see your papers" with NO CRIME COMMITTED, and without even "reasonable suspicion". Clear violation of the 4th amendment.
(not that I would expect a guy like you to have even a vague familiarity with the Constitution of the United States) |
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RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
440 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:28:32 PM
"Arizona took a crap on the US constitution anyway, screw 'em."
Really? And how did they do that? By saying that you have to prove you are a citizen when you are caught violating the law? |
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duffytoler
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
5220 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 7:18:39 PM
Arizona? NO. Matter of fact, let's just give that whole damn state to the Mexicans. Arizona took a crap on the US constitution anyway, screw 'em. |
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 rammo34
Male, 18-29, Western US
1064 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:39:03 PM
It seems that Arizona's gone full retard ever since I left. |
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 DJDoubleb
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
381 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:26:40 AM
@SvampeBob: Because yours was so drated up we had to leave. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25658 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:14:15 AM
The fence is not just about illegal people.
Lots of illegal drugs cross the border as well. |
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 SvampeBob
Male, 18-29, Europe
3088 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 7:56:45 AM
ah Americans, drating up their country since 1776 |
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RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
440 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:21:22 AM
"If they are not letting Mexicans through their borders then who is going to build the fence?"
Uh, these guys?
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DJDoubleb
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
381 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 5:42:49 AM
If they are not letting Mexicans through their borders then who is going to build the fence? |
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Dooked
Male, 18-29, Europe
708 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 1:46:36 AM
*fence |
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 emrsncptv
Female, 18-29, Western US
52 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:46:50 AM
@RobSwindol: you do realize that Jan Brewer vetoed the birther bill, right? we might have some extreme politicians in Arizona, but even our extremist governor isn't a birther. you shouldn't make hasty generalizations about an entire state based on a few of its politicians. also, you really expect people to completely relocate their families because they don't like a bunch of new policies? |
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 Garu
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
564 Posts
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Tuesday, May 10, 2011 12:39:11 AM
Land mines. That is all. Sorry, but you can come here legal ways. Many more would die if we made northern Mexico part of the U.S. |
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jimbro
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
184 Posts
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Monday, May 09, 2011 11:51:42 PM
@Baalthazaq
i googled "aiding and abetting" and looked in many articles. i then quoted the relevant passages for you. if you want me to quote an entire page of text and let you find the relevant sentence i will gladly do that.
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 teq78
Male, 30-39, S. America
202 Posts
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Monday, May 09, 2011 11:05:23 PM
lolz you will never ever! stop mexicans from getting in the united states and thats a promise wether you like it or not |
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RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
440 Posts
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Monday, May 09, 2011 9:49:32 PM
"They are too stupid to understand that a person isn't technically and illegal imigrant until they get a job in this country."
Where do you get this? They are illegal immigrants as soon as they immigrate illegally. That means crossing the border, not getting a job. |
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 handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
2402 Posts
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Monday, May 09, 2011 9:49:12 PM
Yes and to cut corners and save money. They will contract a company that hires illegals to do the job. Oh the irony. |
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 Angelmassb
Male, 18-29, S. America
15474 Posts
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Monday, May 09, 2011 9:44:27 PM
Rolf, lost money! |
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 fiizok
Male, 40-49, Western US
590 Posts
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Monday, May 09, 2011 9:18:49 PM
If anyone knows where I can donate money to build an impenetrable fence around the entire state of Arizona, please tell me. |
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 alibi19
Male, 18-29, Western US
73 Posts
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Monday, May 09, 2011 9:17:55 PM
@rob What illegal immigration "technically" is, is irrelevant. The fact is its bad for the state and we want it fixed. 5)You seem to be a bit behind the times in AZ politics, Brewer vetoed that bill. Google it. 9) So we put up speed traps, sue us. The only people who fall for those are snowbirds, most actual residents of AZ rarely fall for those. 10) Right, here in Arizona we support drug trafficking. Its something we are all really proud of here /sarcasm. But really thats just another reason for tougher illegal immigration policy. |
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 fiveanthems
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
49 Posts
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Monday, May 09, 2011 9:17:42 PM
@NoArms5534
They're asking for donations after having asked for tax dollars for decades.
Either way, the point was more that the fence is a useless, waste of money. Isn't going to stop a family from climbing over to a better life, and it's not going to stop drug trafficking.
That said, I think you know all too well the answer to your own question. |
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