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Rhetorical Question Of The Day

Hits: 16654 | Rating: (3.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 683 Posts
Friday, May 20, 2011 7:44:57 AM
@santhon
"Well evolution for starters. As a species our DNA wants to replicate itself and pass itself down to offspring. How does homosexuality help accomplish that goal?"

right, have you ever considered that homosexuality might just be a facet of nature you don't like? Have you ever considered that maybe its becoming more prevalent as our populations grow unchecked? Also, if you quit offering oral sex to strange men in bathrooms, you might have less homosexuality shoved down your throat. the lights are on, but the closet door is shut.

Joeraccoon
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 191 Posts
Sunday, May 08, 2011 9:01:41 PM
Lack of belief is not a belief. It doesn't matter how many times anyone says that lack of belief is a belief, it won't become true.

The theory of "god" cannot be disproven, or disproven, until there is factual scientific evidence one way or the other, which is impossible given the superpowers this supreme being is capable of. This argument will go on forever, can we quit talking about it outside of church? Anyway, if there was solid evidence that god didnt exist, it would not be a belief, but the fact remains that the only guarantee in life is that you exist, everything else could, conceivably, be a figment of your imagination, i choose to believe that what i see is real, but cannot stretch my mind to believe in the immaterial, i mean, your parents lied about santa, and the easter bunny, too. Are these that much more ridiculous than an omniscient "space ghost?" still, i will never try to take religion from someone else. Religion makes people happy, gives t

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:30:34 PM
The essence of religion is also a lack of belief.


What reason do you have to say that? The essence of religion is accepting things as true without evidence, i.e. belief. Faith.

The essence of atheism is a belief.


Lack of belief is not a belief. It doesn't matter how many times anyone says that lack of belief is a belief, it won't become true.

Athiesm is a belief in the same way that not playing sport is a sport. I'm not writing a book - does that mean I'm an author? I'm not an acrobat - does that mean I'm an acrobat? I'm not an elephant - does that mean I'm an elephant?

It's a silly idea.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Saturday, May 07, 2011 6:25:02 PM
Mainly for anyone who thinks Heureux has a point:

Before making a serious decision, do you consult an augurer to determine the will of the gods from omens such as the direction of flight of some birds?

Do you sacrifice to Neptune in thanks for a safe journey by sea? Or to Juno Moneta for prosperity?

If not, why not? A significant proportion of the world's population believed in those things (and many others), so according to Heureux's central line of argument about religion and science those things are as real and true as vaccines, antibiotics, the computer you're using right now and all the innumerable other results of science that hugely improve our lives.

So if you agree with him, why don't you do them? Them and the millions of others things people have believed in for the multitude of religions that exist or have existed.

intrigid
Male, 18-29, Canada
 916 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 11:57:28 PM
"Atheism is not necessarily a belief. The essence of atheism is *lack* of belief."

The essence of religion is also a lack of belief. The essence of atheism is a belief.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26626 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 6:47:44 PM
@peloos12, cheezus! I thought he was a babbling idiot who made little to zero sense! Also displayed a hugely biased world-view and bigoted, narrow-minded hatred of anyone who DARED disagree with him.

Everyone has their own opinion, eh?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 5:54:09 PM
I see more people missing the point, so I'll reply again.

The entire purpose of this thread (see the title of it) is the argument that the existence of a non-trivial number of <x> is proof of divine approval of <x>.

When people use something almost universally seen as being wrong as <x>, they are doing so *to illustrate that the argument is wrong.*

It does not mean that they are arguing that completely different values of <x> are the same.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 5:42:57 PM
peloos12:

Try posting once with anything less than 100% agreement with Heureux and see if his response changes your opinion. I'll bet a £20 note against half a bent paperclip that he'd flame you and say you're extremely, probably violently, prejudiced against homosexuals and/or theists.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 5:37:25 PM
skip ahead to 1:30 for actual question.

Question assumes gays are born that way, like a birth defect. I find the assumption insulting.



The question does not assume either. If you listen to the whole sentence rather than just part of it (it starts about 1:20) you'll notice that he clearly does not make the first assumption that you refer to. "If <x> is true then what does it mean?" is very different to stating "<x> is assumed to be true".

As for your second assumption, that's entirely your own and it's wholly unreasonable to put it on him. Even if he had assumed that sexual orientation is fixed before birth (which he hadn't done), doing so is not the same as assuming that homosexuality is a birth defect. For example, which hand you will favour may well be fixed before you are born. Do you assume that everyone who thinks it might be must assume that left-handedness is a birth defect?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11738 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 5:22:44 PM
Atheism is a belief not a prejudice.


i) Atheism is not necessarily a belief. The essence of atheism is *lack* of belief. Some atheists have beliefs concerning religion, some don't.

ii) Only a few deeply irrational theist bigots think atheism is prejudice. Using reason to argue against it is pointless - if they were capable of reason they wouldn't think it in the first place.

peloos12
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3765 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 4:44:08 PM
I've been coming here for a long time. As a lurker, regular commenter, OF participator, regular chat goer and a former mod who had to monitor comments every single day on every single thread as if it were my job, I've read thousands upon thousands of comments on this site. And as any regular user knows, there are some insanely intelligent people who chime in on some of the toughest topics imaginable.

All of that rambled, I don't know if I've ever seen somebody hit a home run with a string of comments like Heureux just did. 100% on point with everything he said. Just wanted to acknowledge that.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 4:05:02 PM
Even it it were a choice this is America. We're free to do as we please (supposedly).

bridog6996
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 570 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 3:18:44 PM
I think the fact that homosexuality exists in animal species other than humans is strong evidence that it's not a lifestyle choice.

Garu
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 564 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 12:54:23 PM
"Keep applause to yourselves!" Wall-eyed idiot

Boadicea
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1668 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 8:31:15 AM
Heureux... I don't even know what to say to most of what you wrote. Not all atheists are running around thinking theists are dumb or insane (obviously I know a lot are though)-- most of them just think "I have no reason or desire to believe in God, so I don't"-- it's not a prejudice against people who do anymore than believing in God is a prejudice against people who don't. Some of the arguments you're making are just... odd. I'm going to agree to disagree (or just plainly disagree, whatever) and back slowly out of this thread now.

Gerry: Point taken, bad choice of words on my part.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 7:21:13 AM

"science is not just something people wrote about because it sounded good"



WRONG

I hate to side with the homo-haters but actually,
that is a part of science. A BIG part.

It's called 'hypothesis' but it just means "that sounds good"

of course, real science will change it's mind and view based on fact
whereas religionists refuse to face facts so that's the fundamental differance.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 6:45:13 AM
If there is a God science will find him before the Pope.

xXvietemoXx
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 26 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 4:55:36 AM
@Rizel
Hey dont blame me just becasue of the screen name haha. I tried to change it i know its lame lol. Really lame haha.

kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
 336 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 4:49:59 AM
* theists are prejudiced

kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
 336 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 4:48:55 AM
Heureux, you obviously feel very strongly about the subject.
"No. Atheism is the explicit belief that there is no god - which means that all of the billions of people who have experienced the Divine in some way, are just automatically wrong."

I could equally say theism is the explicit belief that there is a god - which means that all of the billions of people who do not believe in the divine in some way, are just automatically wrong.

Which, by your own argument means every single one of us is prejudiced.

I happen to disagree, I believe prejudice involves something other than simply believing someone to be wrong, it involves negative feelings because of this belief. Which I don't think the majority of atheists have (personal experience only you understand).

However, the majority of the world's religions teach the fact that to not believe is in some way wrong, a negative reflection on the person. This rather suggests that the majority of

sulu
Male, 18-29, Western US
 988 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 3:22:44 AM
Heurex is strawman arguing so badly it hurts.

Student_Law
Male, 30-39, Europe
 966 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 2:30:54 AM


ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 1:48:51 AM
the world is full of none human violence. the males of many species fight and kill each other over the right to mate with a female. so violence is natural.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 1:38:35 AM
the world is full of none human violence. the males of many species fight and kill each other over the right to mate with a female. so violence is natural.

IceDragon77
Male, 18-29, Western US
 498 Posts
Friday, May 06, 2011 1:37:30 AM
Heureux... Omfg.. I said im not a homophobe and I SUPPORT GLBT PEOPLE. And all I was stating were my experiences. I know it could be different elsewhere, but those there MY experiences. Thats all im saying. Im not saying all are like that because I know that not to be true.
Im not against the whole thing as you seem to think I am, I just dont like it when SOME (not all) are rude and have tried to stuff it down my throat before (no pun intended).

And ill say it again in case you skim over what I said.. I AM NOT AGAINST GBLT PEOPLE AT ALL, I SUPPORT THEM.

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