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Delaware Takes Away Basketball Hoop On Street

Hits: 12045 | Rating: (3.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Pooptart19
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Rich606
Male, 18-29, Europe
 22 Posts
Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:52:10 AM
Hi... We're in Delaware.

Ahyemi
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 7 Posts
Sunday, May 01, 2011 5:37:45 PM
Klivel: I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at. If you're implying I insulted you, I did not. Nor did I see a 'handful of insults directed at you' from Jonix. At best, she called you a 'Troll,' which, having your non-argument deflected toward me doesn't seem too far from the truth. I will not feed you. Peace.

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Sunday, May 01, 2011 4:43:33 PM
Ahyemi: saying on the one hand that we aren't arguing, then using the other hand to type out a handful of insults directed at me is, at best, a mixed message.

Gafnaz
Male, 30-39, Europe
 139 Posts
Sunday, May 01, 2011 4:07:24 PM
Police state... this is just absurd. Revolting at least.

Jonix
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 70 Posts
Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:41:41 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause

Based on wiki's definition and modern examples, I still don't see how the Grandfather Clause could NEVER have worked, especially when the law they're acting on was was approved in 1998, and the pole has been there since the 1950s, and I don't see anything in this bill that states specifically that it applies to violations that WEREN'T violations decades before the making of the new law.
http://delcode.delaware.gov/sessionlaws/ga139/chp318.shtml

But despite ALL of that, I will say again that my ONLY point was: McCafferty violated the law and dealt with the consequences; those DelDOT workers acted without human decency and should ALSO be punished. The end.

Ahyemi
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 7 Posts
Sunday, May 01, 2011 9:53:39 AM
Sorry, Klivel, but I think Jonix summed it up when she clarified that there is no argument between you two. Continuing to dispute nothing is getting tiresome...

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Sunday, May 01, 2011 3:34:54 AM
system, we award it attention instead.

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Sunday, May 01, 2011 3:34:36 AM
Basically, here's the issue I take with these people: rather than working within the system as it exists, they thought it would work the way it does on daytime drama legal shows. They demonstrated ignorance, and by itself that would be forgivable. But they went a step further and elected to block public servants from doing their job when ample notice was given.

The letters were sent certified mail. They had to sign for them. No letter was ever sent that said "yea, nevermind about that deadline thing. lawyer magic made us forget the law was there."

Rather than take their lumps as a cost for being somewhat stupid and completely arrogant about the way the legal system works, they essentially have a basketball goal temper tantrum.

It was their own inaction and ignorance that caused all of this, and now people are feeling sorry for them all across the country. Stuff like this? This is why we're getting dumber. Instead of punishing ignorance of our syste

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Sunday, May 01, 2011 3:27:04 AM
Jonix: oh, so because I'm just as willing to defend my point of view as you are, suddenly *I* am a troll, while you're what? Yea, I see that "holier-than-thou" thing you mentioned is contagious. Better get thyself quarantined before you start wearing an FBI sweater around.

The "grandfathering thing" wouldn't work because of the wording of the law. It's designed to take into account the fact that the goals already exist before the law was passed. Otherwise it wouldn't have language to the effect of removing goals, it would simply block the installation of new ones. Savvy?

And coming on the predetermined date to take action on the letters you sent isn't barreling in like raging bullies.

I acknowledge that they wrote their state representative, and felt like that did them a lot of good. What they didn't consider is that the legislative branch they were contacting cant directly impose its will on other branches. Isn't checks and balances fun?

Jonix
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 70 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:32:57 PM
Protesting the law in the manner he spoke of ISN'T ignoring it. You seem to see so clearly all the "warnings" DelDOT so generously granted this guy, yet REFUSE to see how the family took action PRIOR TO THE MAKING OF THIS VIDEO. And how do YOU know what would have been ruled in the "grandfathering" thing? DelDOT didn't give it a chance before charging in like raging bullies. Maybe the judge would have had MY mindset, not yours.

You see McCafferty as a brat throwing a tantrum?? Fine, whatever. I see a holier-than-thou, disrespectful, spiteful c*nt who can't even be bothered to put on her uniform when she's on duty.

And just FYI, I was NEVER trying to dispute "THE LAW." It being a retarded law is COMPLETELY beside the point. Was DelDOT justified in removing the pole? Sure. Does that give them the right to treat these people like sh*t? NO. Even YOU don't deny that.

So seriously, WTF do you think you're arguing with me over, Troll?

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:03:01 PM
while you wait.

Know what would have kept his hoop from getting destroyed? If he'd moved it when the first letter arrived and just petitioned for permission to place it back beside the street, instead of pitching a fit like a three year old who stamps his feet and says "nuh uh! sixty years old means I get to ignore you! lalalalalalala!"

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:00:27 PM
Jonix: having a lawyer on retainer doesn't make a law not in effect... What he should have done is remove the pole while the situation got moved through the courts. If, in the end, the courts decided his petition had merit which, since the law was actually tailored specifically to remove hoops like his, I really doubt: then he could just put it right back where it was. In the mean time, I repeat: you don't get to ignore a law just because you don't agree with it. It just doesn't work that way, no matter what you feel is right.

I'm not defending them, or myself. I'm just saying there are paths of law-protesting behavior that are legally acceptable, and the one they chose isn't one of them.

Oh, and the "stays as-is" thing requires a cease and desist order. Which requires a judge to have heard the case and ruled in his favor. That's considerably more than just talking at eachother through lawyers. The system takes time, but you don't get to ignore a law while y

Jonix
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 70 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 6:27:28 PM
Klivel, you're starting to sound like one of those officers trying to defend yourself.

You say these people "waited until the end of the deadline?" No, they did not. He stated in the video that he sent a letter in response -- even got his state representative involved. That, to me, does not sound like they were acting out "in the last second." They were waiting for a response they never received.

If you watch the second video where McCafferty picks up his pole (it was destroyed, btw), he points out another man who got his lawyers in communication with DelDOT's lawyers. Maybe he was another man who got the letter, who knows.

I don't know much about "the law," but I thought that when you get lawyers involved, pretty much everything is left as-is until they can get things worked out.

agentneonred
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 7 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:40:30 PM
ahh the sting of goverment bull poo lying at least i dont feel like that its only my city thats getting treated this way

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:30:35 PM
But considering they didn't elect to arrest her for interfering with an officer in the line of his daily work, AND didn't impound the vehicles... both things that are, like it or not, well within the scope of their power to legitimately do in this instance... I feel like a stern "don't call names in front of them next time" is about all that's necessary.

Personally, I wouldn't have called names, threatened, and all that nonsense. I'd have arrested her and impounded their cars. It would have made the officer's job go more quickly and efficiently. And they'd have gotten a free lesson in how NOT to protest a law you dislike.

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:28:02 PM
I'm just going to say that someone whose response to being sent certified letters informing them they needed to remove something weeks in advance was to wait until the day of the deadline and climb up in it to camp out... whether she IS crazy or not, I'd certainly be tempted to believe that she was.

The constitution gives us the right to demand a redress of grievances if we feel that an unjust law has infringed upon our rights. It does NOT give us the right to say "well... dumb law, I'm gonna ignore it, and block those who are trying to enforce it." That would be *gasp* against the law.

So... were the officers unprofessional in some of their responses? (for the record, I'm hesitant to take her word for the brandishing a weapon bit) I'll grant some names may have been called in anger by those present, so yes. They were unprofessional.


Jonix
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 70 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 4:10:58 PM
Regardless of whether or not they were "just doing their job" based on some stupid law which should never have been passed anyway, they did it in a highly unprofessional manner, and I believe that calls for consequences. THAT was my argument.

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 1:04:01 PM
Jonix: yes, and this link spells out what actually happened leading up to the events in the video.

I'm not defending the woman who elected to lie about where the pole was to be left. Nor will I condone any name calling that may have taken place, because that's just being unprofessional. But I will reiterate that the police and city workers were doing their job, and broke no laws by taking the basketball hoop away.

Several certified letters were sent to the eight homeowners giving them a deadline to remove the hoops themselves. One of them did so. The other seven lost their hoops. Though I do sincerely believe that the city isn't just dumping them in a landfill, and the homeowners probably have ANOTHER deadline by which to come and claim their removed pole before it goes bye bye.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10226 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:37:13 AM
His basketball pole is planted in public property


Ummm.. actually no. When you buy a house you actually buy a section of street right in front of it and agree to let it be used by the public.

Jonix
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 70 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:22:45 AM
And did you hear her say, "Oh, here comes the crazy wife." F*CK YOU, B*TCH! You can tell by the way she talks to the guy that she thinks she's hot sh*t, and that everyone is beneath her. People like that should NOT be in positions of authority.

This link talks about their first encounter with DelDOT. If this is true, these same a$$holes made unreasonable threats and used weapons and misleading information (FBI sweatshirt) to intimidate.

LINK

I really hope they can make a case out of this. I agree with the guy that those people should be fired for misconduct and abuse of power.

Jonix
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 70 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:05:51 AM
I'm sorry, Klivel, but I can't just take DelDot's side with the sole defense of "it's the law." Those people were disrespectful, lying twats. They MAY have had the authority to remove the poles, but it is not clear whether they had the right to TAKE them away from the owners.

If they DID have the right to take the poles, then WHY LIE ABOUT IT?! I'm pretty sure officers have the authority to lie to obtain evidence or to get themselves or others out of dangerous situations, but in NO WAY is this a life-threatening issue, and there is NO REASON why they couldn't just say, "No sir, we won't leave the pole here with you, but you're allowed to come pick it up afterward." Lying to make him cooperate just because it makes it easier on YOU... I'm pretty is not in the rule book.

When a student curses out his teacher, the teacher isn't allowed to be vulgar in return. "Authority figures" need to set the example.

Klivel
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:12:50 AM
You can't sue someone for being an non-nice individual. It has to actually cost you something besides annoyance. They took his goal. He has to go and get it back. Alright so that's... a gallon of gas maybe to drive up there. An hour out of his life.

Value? Maybe thirty bucks, if that much. It costs more than that to file the necessary paperwork with the courts in most places. What, you think they're going to award punitive damages for pain and suffering or something? Yea, sure. It'd get tossed out of court. It has no merit.

Stupid people shouldn't be so quick to act all litigious.

Abandonnez
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 230 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:44:48 AM
She can be sued for that, and I hope the bitch does.

Fleaman1797
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 719 Posts
Saturday, April 30, 2011 12:23:04 AM
I hope she gets raped and murdered for being such an evil lying bitch.

Polyintrinsi
Male, 18-29, Canada
 9 Posts
Friday, April 29, 2011 8:54:43 AM
I got a couple points:
-Yelling at the guys removing the pole... they are just doing their job, they dont have a choice.
-The government Rep, flat out lied to them about keeping the pole. Though im not too surprised.
-Kinda sickening that tax payer dollars are being used for such an negotiable issue.
-As always the limited back story on the people involved and the motive makes it hard to really make a full judgement.
-Overall it just seems like a waste of time for everyone. Even myself, cause i just spent 3 minutes writing this.
-Finally, Can't we all just get along?

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