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High Gas Prices Slow US Driving And Obama Ratings

Hits: 11451 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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Rich606
Male, 18-29, Europe
 22 Posts
Tuesday, May 03, 2011 12:34:45 PM
This is really gonna make it hard for Obama come re-election time... Oh wait, he's the President that killed bin Laden. Well drat me square that's lucky...

savagemonkey
Male, 18-29, Western US
 22 Posts
Thursday, April 28, 2011 2:50:17 PM
@GeFeldz

Roughly 30-50 gallons for me, too. Although I have a really short work commute compared to many Americans. That will go up to 50-70 in a month when I move to the 'burbs. Rough estimate would be spending about 200 dollars a month on gas. Luckily I have a 4 cylinder work truck.

I had always thought many Europeans drive less due to cities with less urban sprawl and better mass trans. Haven't been fortunate enough to see for myself yet, though, so would be interested to learn if that wasn't the case.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4463 Posts
Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:41:26 AM
OutWest-"But, how much of what each of us pay is in TAXES?"

Covered in previous post (compared US to UK, not all of Europe), but will be happy to refresh.

The UK's tax rate is £0.5895 per liter (or litre, if you prefer) or about or $3.62 per U.S. gallon. Also added to that is a 20% Value Added tax (and yes, your tax is figured on your VAT tax, so you're being taxed on your taxes). You have an equivalent tax rate of 175% on your gas.

Whereas in the US, the mean state tax of 27.2 CENTS plus 18.4 CENT federal tax gives a total of 45.6 CENTS per U.S. Gallon. Our equivalent tax rate is ~12% on our gas.

So, per US Gallon: UK taxes $3.62, US taxes $0.456

OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
 548 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:14:28 PM
I keep seeing comparisons to what Europe pays vs what the USA pays? Irrelevant to the topic.

But, how much of what each of us pay is in TAXES?

GeFeldz
Male, 18-29, Europe
 128 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:06:42 PM
How much gas do you use in your car per month in the us? I generally use between 35 and 50 gallons per month and i pay between 310 and 440 us dollars for that.
The exchange rate probably inflates our prices as there are many variables.

GeFeldz
Male, 18-29, Europe
 128 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:57:16 AM
Converted to my currency vs the us dollar, that's not even half of what we pay here. In fact we pay 2.3 times that price when simply comparing currency rates. 8.9 USD per gallon, try that one on for size!

meepmaker
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 6716 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:16:27 AM
Obama needs to give me a tax credit for buying a scooter. No. Wait. Then the govt would just want it back next year. Either way. I think Im gonna buy a scooter.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4463 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:02:14 AM
Musuko42-"You should probably explain why it's not viable."

I don't consider a 30 mile commute in a town that averages over 64" of rain a year to be 'viable' by bike. I bike for enjoyment and exercise, not for work. I also swim and kayak.

The main point, is of course, that I choose to drive. I am under no compunction to explain that, or any other aspect of my life style, to anyone. I drive a big-honkin truck just because I like it. I also have a jeep for fun. I took out the little four-banger and replaced it with a 350 chevy because I wanted more power (oops, and forgot to put the catalytic converter back on...darn.)

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4463 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:49:10 AM
Musuko42-"Cities =/= people."

I see that you conveniently deleted the part where I said 'Cities DO Move'...why would you do that?

But, that being said, cities DO equal people. People are a unit of a city, and people are mobile.

I'll make it simple: People can move. Houses can be moved. Buildings can be moved, all the way up to cities.

But, you're just being asanine. Current predictions (and we know how accurate THEY turn out to be) estimate a sea level rise over the next century to be between 4 to 8 INCHES. That will bring the coast line approximately TWO FEET closer to my house.

Excuse me if I'm not very worried.

chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 679 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:42:41 AM
truth of the matter is oiul companies are raising gas prices to pressure our government to allow drilling on protected land in the U.S. If you ask me, the oil companies should be fitting the bill for our wars in the middle east, as it is now, we pay we fight we die they profit...

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2833 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:20:39 AM
@MeGrendel

"nubblins-"a bike ride." Not viable."

You should probably explain why it's not viable, because without giving a reason it just makes it seem that you're too fat.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2833 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:16:27 AM
@MeGrendel

"People move for various reasons all the time."

You said "And, coastal cities will move."

Cities =/= people.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4463 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:52:54 AM
nubblins-"You could easily car pool with a co-worker."

No co-worker has my same work schedule. Should one of us wait hours on end for the other?

nubblins-"a bike ride."

Not viable.

nubblins-"use public transportation"

Okay, to get to the NEAREST public transportation I have to drive 12 miles PAST my workplace. The majority of this country is not serviced by public transportation.

nubblins-"I take the bus because it's free w/ my university id."

Ah, that makes sense now. You already know everything, although you've not actually been out in the real world. (btw..it's not 'free'. You paid for it through your dues. The transportation system has a deal with the university.)

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4463 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:47:57 AM
Musuko42-"Move a city...just like that...no big deal..."

People move for various reasons all the time. Didn't say it wasn't a big deal, but it's far from impossible. IF (and that's a BIG IF) people living on the coast are put in an unbearable situation, they will move.

I got six feet of water through my living room during hurricane Katrina, so I know exactly the dangers of living on the coast. I am far from worried about Global Warming sneaking into my kitchen in the dead of night.

You seem to be under the impression that a city is a static thing. It's made up of many different units, all the way down to the individual. City borders expand and contract all the time. Population centers shift.

Cities DO move. In the early days of air travel, airports were built WAY out of town, so as not to bother people. Where are they now? Did the airport move? Nope, the city did. There are many empty mining towns. They moved.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2833 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:05:10 AM
By the by, I read something interesting the other day.

Petrol cost in Britain is considerably higher than it is in America, but because we generally drive more fuel-efficient cars than you do, and we drive fewer miles over the course of the year, we actually end up spending less on fuel than Americans do.

Americans get cheaper fuel, but they use so much more of it; they end up paying more.

Seems to me the price isn't your problem...it's how much you're using.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2833 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 5:59:53 AM
@CrakrJak

High speed rail may not pay for itself in direct terms, but what about in relation to the infrastructure cost savings elsewhere?

It may cost a net loss to transport people by rail, but how does that cost compare to the saved cost of the road-widening projects and extra roads that would be needed if those people were instead travelling by car?

I don't know the figures. It's worth looking into. Sometimes the real cost-benefit is not straightforward.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2833 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 5:55:59 AM
@MeGrendel

"So, if we weren't around to cause it then, and it happened, why are we to blame for any changes in a system that is, by its very nature, dynamic?"

WHOOSH!

That was the sound of my point sailing clear above your head.

"And, coastal cities will move."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*wipes away tears*

*thinks about what you said again*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


I'm sorry, sorry! You just...you just sound like a five year old child! Move a city...just like that...no big deal...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16954 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:24:16 AM
jtrebowski: When and if the technology becomes affordable enough, There will be no need for the government to be involved, except for granting permits and right-of-ways.

The US government didn't build our railroads nor or airports, private enterprise did, and private enterprise would do so again for rail if the potential profit justified the cost of investment.

OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
 548 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:04:07 AM
I do remember when gas prices went to a $1.00 a gallon and we waited in long lines to buy gasoline. Many at that time on our left would say, "Well in Europe they pay ____ so feel lucky, or stop complaining" Which was not relevant then nor is it now. But I do think that some here would like to imitate our European friends lifestyle? But I don't know why?

I also think that many supporters of our current President would approve if he dropped the atomic bomb on Toronto! They would find some way to blindly justify his decision or blame it on someone else. What kind of leader can he really be when no matter what he does or does not do is just "Job well done"?

OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
 548 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:03:34 AM
I am amazed when I read some of the comments here. President Obama is President, not someone else. This situation is happening under his leadership or lack thereof. He gets the credit and/or the blame, comes with the job.

Somewhere I read a year or so back that one of his administration actually called for higher prices similar to Europe's so that we citizens of the US would stop using oil? But I could be wrong about it.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12073 Posts
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:03:28 AM
"So, if we weren't around to cause it then, and it happened, why are we to blame for any changes in a system that is, by its very nature, dynamic?"

Fair point, Grendel. What's different though is the *RATE* at which these changes are happening compared to the goelogical past. And hey, you SHOULD be concerned. I'm not American, but I just read this article today.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13190689

And yes, not being an ass, but I like to think I know what I'm talking about. I'm a PhD Geoscientist, who works in the oil industry, with some specialisation in palaeoecology. It's in my best interest to dismiss any effect of seven billion people on the global climate, I make more money that way. But I can't bring myself to do it. I have a daughter.

vapor13
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 118 Posts
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:37:10 PM
Americans, just be glad we don't have Norway's gas prices. $9.25 USD/gallon! It's all heavliy taxed. Most European countries are paying between $7.50-$8 USD/gallon right now.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:23:10 PM
@crakrJak: Perhaps, but not until they can lock onto a monopoly, or at least guarantee a huge profit margin. Meanwhile, while the technologu sits, so do we....in traffic jams.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:11:14 PM
Bram said: "Bush sucked, Obama is currently sucking."

True that, but the economy was booming when Bush came into office until he passed his tax cuts.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16954 Posts
Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:07:48 PM
Altaru; I'll tell you why, China embarked on it's own high speed rail project. Obama even mentioned it in his own high speed rail pitch recently.

The problem is the Chinese project was supposed to cost $300 billion dollars, It's now $271 billion in debt, To put that in perspective that is 5 times the amount of debt that nearly bankrupted General Motors. The ticket sales for China's high speed rail debacle can't even cover the yearly interest of $27.7 billion dollars.

Read more about it here.

What's 'utterly retarded' is believing high speed rail will ever make enough money to pay for itself, let alone be profitable. If it even had half a chance to be profitable a private company would've already started planning to build it.

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