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 VictoryRider
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 9370 Posts
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Saturday, April 09, 2011 7:56:36 AM
Not really much to see. Unless I missed something, it seems funny that big guy was so easily escorted to the door. It didn't seem that anyone had the gun at this point. One wonders what went down off camera. |
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 buttsdowhat
Female, 18-29, Southern US
373 Posts
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Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:46:28 PM
I used to live in a ghetto town. There was an attempted robbery at a gas station that my friend worked at one time. The girl who was working that night had a gun pointed in her face and she beat the poo out of the robber. He tried to get away in a car and she kicked the windshield out, dented his hood, and pulled his side mirrors off. When the cops found him, she called the police station and demanded they bring him back because she was not finished kicking his ass.
She didn't get fired. But her boss gave her two weeks off so she could get some psychological help if she needed it. |
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 Fleaman1797
Male, 18-29, Southern US
719 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:28:23 AM
WOW! their black though? what on earth? who/what would have EVER convinced a black man to try and pull off a ROBBERY? thats just insanity!!.. i mean you NEVER see anything like this EVER..highly shocking if i do say so myself.. |
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 McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
10257 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:05:08 AM
Dear Jeebus,
Buy a gun.
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 Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9559 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 5:17:25 AM
Sad part is: he probably got fired for that.
The sad part is how many people believe things just because they've been told to.
You don't know what happened in this case or what usually happens in cases of employees tackling robbers. You're just assuming that most get fired because you've been conditioned by the media to assume that and you haven't thought about it. |
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dude21862004
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
778 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:44:28 AM
Sad part is: he probably got fired for that. |
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McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
368 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:11:30 AM
Your right the court of appeal gave him a 12 month suspended sentence with supervision for 2 years, I missed that bit :)
But his brother did go to jail for the attack. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9559 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:02:56 AM
McDuff73:
Yes, I am talking about Munir Hussain, who tried very hard to beat someone to death *as an act of revenge.* He got a 2 year suspended sentence, i.e. he got off.
A suspended (i.e. no jail time) sentence for a particularly savage attempted murder resulting in a brain-damaged victim because it was politically useful to pander to the mob stirred up by the media and baying for vengeance to be allowed by the law. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9559 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:55:14 AM
So, the burden of proof...
We're talking about people who aren't saying "I didn't do it". They're saying "I did it, but it's legal for me to have done so because specific circumstances match defined exceptions". In such cases, the onus is rightfully on the defendant to prove that their actions do match the defined exceptions to the law. That isn't presumption of guilt. Guilt is already admitted, so it's no presumption.
You've just argued that if someone is definitely guilty of doing something usually illegal and raises a defence that it wasn't illegal in this case for a specific reason, they must be acquitted by default.
Are you sure you want that? You do realise it's close to carte blanche for murderers, right:
A shoots B in public, deliberately killing B.
A claims that they thought B was drawing a gun with the intention to kill A.
It's impossible to prove that A was *not* thinking that, so A is acquitted under |
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McDuff73
Male, 30-39, Europe
368 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:46:40 AM
Angilion are you talking about Munir Hussain? he attacked robbers that had tied him and his family up and threatened to kill them while they robbed them.
He hit the man so hard with a cricket bat that it broke into 3 peices they also beat him with a metal pole, all this after he tried to run away.
He was sentenced to 2 and a half years because he used excessive force, his brother got longer.
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9559 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:43:45 AM
tn11:
I've read a little about that case. It is not at all like the claimed situation of "You barely have the right to hit someone back that hit you first without fearing charges."
Fish deliberately killed someone who wasn't armed and hadn't touched him.
How on earth can you consider that to be "You barely have the right to hit someone back that hit you first without fearing charges." ?
Seriously, I'd like to know.
Fish was released for political reasons which required major retroactive changes to the law to allow irrelevant information to be used in court to sway juries on emotional rather than rational grounds.
Also, what's this crap about "literally guilty until proven innocent"?
You're making a frankly rather disturbing twisting of the law and that deserves a post of its own. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9559 Posts
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Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:30:03 AM
I think its total BS if an intruder gets hurt while in your house or w/e and then tries to sue you that they would actually be able to win that case.
Note that nobody has been able to provide an example of that happening.
As far as im concerned those should be filed in the trash can along with the "owww this coffee is hot and i burnt myself with it SUE!!" cases
People should read about that case. The coffee was deliberately being sold *dangerously* hot, *far too hot to drink* and caused serious burns requiring skin grafts. The company responsible knew they were putting people at risk and carried on doing it anyway. |
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 lectricmonk
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
8 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:12:56 PM
I heard that it was a toy gun. Which begs the question, while the emo clerk is sufficiently bada$$, or had a big enough deathwish, to take that action, why did the two robbers back away from a gun that they knew wasn't a threat, when it looked as if the two of them could have pounded that skinny whiteboy to paste? |
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 1gr8slice
Male, 40-49, Western US
365 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:52:30 PM
Now THAT is What Jesus Would Do |
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 last1in
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
261 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:33:20 PM
well you know be, doing my job, kicking ass
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 Concetra
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2031 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:51:52 PM
5 4 3 5... dude can't countdown. |
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 tn11
Male, 18-29, Western US
1601 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:50:19 PM
The Link |
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tn11
Male, 18-29, Western US
1601 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:50:02 PM
Angilion- There was a case in Arizona and a guy was hiking. A guy on the trail set his dogs on him (Harold Fish). Harold fired a shot into the ground to scare the dogs off. It did, but then the owner charged him, swinging and yelling that he was going to kill him. Harold shot 3 times. He then went over to his body, covered him with a blanket, and put a backpack under his head. Fish was a father of 7, a retired teacher, and had no prior record. It got really complicated, but one of the things initially decided that his 10mm hollowpoints were "too" suitable for self defense. They stated that "his bullets were designed to kill" and as such were too powerful for self defense. He was found guilty of 2nd degree murder, sentenced to 10 years. He appealed, and three years later was acquitted. The problem was, it was the defendants duty to prove he acted in self defense, not the prosecutors. The law was worded so that you were literally guilty until proven innocent. Here is |
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 Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
1084 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:07:14 PM
Kalimata, I can agree with you in much of that. It is very difficult to speculate what you would do in a similar situation, though. As I mentioned before, many people have been shot and killed in my area recently. As stated earlier, a man and his kids. Several soldiers, a woman in a Walmart parking lot because she swooped into someones parking space, random hold ups in apartments, and most recently a lady getting shot as a passenger in an SUV.. By the driver.. I could go on and on with these, but my point is, I can't help but wonder what would have happened had these people had taken a chance and stood up for themselves? Might they be alive today? |
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 Kalimata
Male, 30-39, Canada
591 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:57:47 PM
I have to say myself that was a very ballsy but very bad idea especially with a counter between the clerk and the gun toting dude. Though I wasn't there, it wasn't me so anything I say is merely speculation on my part.
I'm on the fence as to whether I believe the southern US self defense laws, or our Canadian ones. Canada has that damn "reasonable force" clause which limits your response and can land you in very deep water if you kill someone in self defense. Still, robery is punished by jail time, not death, so gunning down an assailant in a robery isn't kosher in my mind.
That said, never happened to me, so I merely speculate. I suppose if it was my wife or family in danger, well I'd kill first, and go to jail knowing my people were alive to visit me. |
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jjpolo15
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
5 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:34:11 PM
In Texas your allowed to shoot to kill if someone is intruding your car, house, or workplace afaik. I think its total BS if an intruder gets hurt while in your house or w/e and then tries to sue you that they would actually be able to win that case. As far as im concerned those should be filed in the trash can along with the "owww this coffee is hot and i burnt myself with it SUE!!" cases |
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bombaytech
Male, 18-29, Western US
151 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:25:12 PM
n0n... respect doesn't mean a thing to you if you're dead (over something pointless to you). nice try though. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25693 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:39:30 PM
madest
oh no you didn't just dis my submission!
At least you can see my stuff. The cat clearly was seen farting and it was plain that the muslim guy was kicking his wife in the head.
But I suppose cat farts and wife beatings are too high brow for IAB.
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 xiquiripat
Male, 18-29, Western US
2419 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 4:12:17 PM
"He might have been killed anyway. People have been killed in robberies even if they did let the robbers empty the till. You'd have to make a judgement call regarding which is the least bad course of action. In this case, the guy pointing a gun at him was counting down. That's a bad sign."
Yeah. I would not have attacked that guy who kept apologizing, calling me sir, and explaining that he needed to feed his kids. A person like that isn't used to pulling guns out on people, and is probably nervous enough. Attack him and someone is likely to get hurt without anybody intending it. |
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Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
1084 Posts
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Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:54:47 PM
@Angilion
As I understand it, any wound exceeding necessary force could be chargeable. So if the home is broken into, and the burglar is wielding a knife and the homeowner shoots him in the stomach, that would be a bit excessive (in the eyes of the law). |
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