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Libya Vs. Iraq: So True

Hits: 20363 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: Funny | Added by: 5Cats
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kdawg646
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 5 Posts
Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:53:33 PM
GO microsoft voice

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2603 Posts
Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:03:14 PM
@mildcorma.......... yeah, I thought you'd go drating quiet when confronted with logic and facts.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:05:31 AM
@Crakr

Now that I think about it your assertion earlier regarding my "oil disruption chart" is also flawed, as that would mean all production within a nation would be disrupted. If that were true it would be bring the war in Libya to a grinding halt.

Also Nigeria produces more oil than Libya does and as well as more LSC so why aren't we involved Nigeria then hmm? We also get plenty of LSC from Mexico and Canada and produce plenty of it ourselves.

Since we do buy sour crude as a matter of fact more than we do we rely on Persian Gulf for oil from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the UAE. If anything strategically we should be more worried about what's going on in Bahrain than Libya.

As a matter of fact sweet crude is more expensive than sour crude.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25679 Posts
Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:44:11 AM
vv My point exactly @cajun! This is WAR not 'response to a threat' at all. Bush was HUGELY criticized by the MSM for his wars even though he asked (and recieved) congressional approval. Bi-Partisan approval I might add! Obama? NOT!

That's the WHOLE POINT of this video, the very definition of hypocracy, a sad state of affairs...

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17134 Posts
Tuesday, March 29, 2011 3:53:51 AM
5Cats: The 'Threat' is to our economy and by that metric Obama's chances at getting re-elected are threatened as well.

Obama wants the economy to improve, as it did for Bill Clinton, If it doesn't he will face the specter of a famous Reagan line "Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago?" which will lead to his defeat in 2012.

Fuel price increases lead to inflation in most other sectors of our economy and the Fed has no more room left to lower interest rates to combat it.

This war is about oil, Obama knows it's also about his re-election campaign. He will not get elected if gasoline goes over $5 a gallon, which would then trigger double digit inflation. He has to get rid of Gaddafi fast or he's doomed to be another Jimmy Carter.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:03:28 PM
Only congress can Declare war:

Art 1 Sec 8 USC

The POTUS legally do whatever the hell he wants to do with the Army and Navy.

Art 2 Sec 5

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 8:03:25 PM
IF (and only if) there is an IMMEDIATE THREAT to the USA - then the POTUS can declare war.


Ironically 5Cats that's not true either. The POTUS IS Commander-in-Chief of the Military making him able to "act with dispatch" something a legislature simply can't do.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 7:54:20 PM
So lets see:
Saudi Arabia
Iran
UAE
Kuwait
Iraq
Algeria
Nigeria

All of these are more strategically important than Libya, except for Iran of course. Hell Algeria is just West of Libya and they definitely produce and export more, there's unrest there too.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 7:48:26 PM
is NOT a small producer



Except that they are only the 17th largest producer in the world coming in behind:
Saudi Arabia
Iran
United Arab Emirates
Kuwait
Iraq
Algeria
Angola
Nigeria

...and the 15th largest exporter coming in behind:
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Iran
Kuwait
Nigeria
Algeria
Iraq

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25679 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 6:56:57 PM
IF (and only if) there is an IMMEDIATE THREAT to the USA - then the POTUS can declare war. Was there, from Libya? Less than from Iraq (which I agree was tiny, eh?)

Obama in 2002:
Now let me be clear; I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.
He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors... and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

Funny how it's the opposite now...

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17134 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 6:38:39 PM
Cajun: 1.6 million barrels a day is NOT a small producer, That's more than the Saudis sell to us.

OutWest
Male, 50-59, Western US
 548 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 5:14:32 PM
I don't care. GW was a liar. I don't care. Your side did it first and your side does it worse. I don't care.

Somehow was that not the point?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 2:23:55 PM
@Crakr

Be that as it may Libya is still a very minor producer of oil including light sweet crude. Algeria, Norway, Nigeria, Venezuela etc produce more all produce more LSC than Libya does.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 2:07:53 PM
It's Obama's illegal war because he violated the US Constitution



Last I checked Article 2 Sec 2 Clause 5 clearly states that the president is the commander-in-chief of the Army and Navy (and Air Force). While he cannot declare war he can certainly commit acts of war. Also every president since the inception of the War Powers act has ignored said act.

HeadiesRusH
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 329 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 1:58:21 PM
I support Obama and yet I agree with this video %100. This "no fly zone" was undoubtedly the dumbest thing that Obama has gotten involved with during his time in office and it can only come back to bite the rest of us in the ass.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3887 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 12:51:44 PM
Hmm explain how Obama violate constitution please. I suggest you to read article VI of U.S constitution before reply.
Article VI say "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land". So the treatie done wit U.N
automaticaly legitimate the intervention.
I suggest you to revisit this link and if you find is to long for you can just skip to mins 3:50.Link

zombunny
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2524 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 11:04:30 AM
I fell asleep after a minute. This person needs to stay away from YouTube and get a blog.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25679 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:55:14 AM
*sigh* PiperFawn quibbled.
It's Obama's illegal war because he violated the US Constitution. (which he sword an oath to uphold!) It's WAR! There will be 'boots on the ground' sooner or later, until then it's STILL A WAR.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25679 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:53:00 AM
@Cajun Tineye cannot find your image, probably because it's shopped! Is that BUSH in the background? Why yes it is!

The Answerla site lists that protest as against the 8th anniversary of Iraq. Some lip service was paid to Libya, it's true. Mostly it was anti-Bush tho... unless they made the sign BEFORE the airstrikes began...

Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
 2864 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:18:24 AM
this is totally unbiased.

greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2342 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12:31 AM
@cajun.. ummmm cause US already owns that country duhhhhhhhh

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17134 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:07:20 AM
Cajun: We don't buy Libyan oil because Libya has contracts to sell it to Italy, France, and Spain, and the US had a 37 year old embargo against Libya until last year. Time article

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17134 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:04:07 AM
Cajun: The only news coverage I've seen is of a small anti-war protest in Phoenix numbering a dozen or so people. If there are larger protests they certainly are not being covered by the media, definitely not like the heavy coverage they got during GW Bush's years.

I also have to note the 3 - 9/11 truther signs and the 6 "healthcare not warfare" signs in your submitted picture, 3 signs out of all of them mention Libya (two of them are partly hidden), Also note the lack of "No blood for oil" signs.

I have a feeling this was a pic from a rally supporting Palestinians, before Libya became really violent. Why ? Because of the Palestinian flag over the fake coffin.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 9:57:31 AM
@Crakr

Then why were we importing six times more oil from Iraq then we were from Libya?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17134 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 9:41:22 AM
Cajun: Libya's oil is still a part of the LSC market

Iraq has mainly 'Heavy Crude' over 1% sulphur content. Google books result

Northern Iraq's heavy crude oils with API gravities (11–17) and high sulfur content (6–7.5%) wt. are contained in five oil fields most of which is exported via the Iraq-Turkey pipeline.

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