 wheresmyskul
Male, 40-49, Western US
 248 Posts
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Monday, March 28, 2011 2:27:18 PM
Source: MSNBC...The antithesis to FOX News. Don't drink the Koolaid! |
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 zombunny
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
2524 Posts
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Monday, March 28, 2011 11:08:01 AM
Yay pro life! |
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 PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
1336 Posts
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Monday, March 28, 2011 4:45:48 AM
Reactionnary USA at their best |
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 crystemp
Female, 18-29, Southern US
13 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 11:52:06 AM
@ bowski, the bill isn't encouraging an investigation into every miscarriage, it was written to address clinical abortions and intended terminations. Most miscarriages wouldn't be logged or even reported. But in the case that a questionable event was investigated, it wouldn't be difficult (or harmful to the woman) to determine whether the death was natural, intentional, or a result of neglect. |
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 jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
3057 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:54:19 AM
@ crystemp and Phoneybone: I think both of you missed the part about the mother having the burden of proof showing that she did everything possible to prevent the miscarriage.
So much for Conservatives wanting government out of our personal lives, eh? |
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crystemp
Female, 18-29, Southern US
13 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:27:37 AM
Did these two even read the bill? It states prenatal murder, not miscarriage. Also, the consequence isn't necessarily death sentence. |
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gbrzeatetee
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
174 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:54:37 AM
The brief mentions multiple times "prenatal murder." No need to read past such a retarded construct. Next stop: make masturbation illegal with the preconception murder bill. Or the act of roosterblocking a dude who was about to get some: predoingit murder. |
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 phoneybone
Male, 18-29, Western US
1750 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:16:28 AM
just one more
I read the meaty part of the bill (all except the "corrections" part which is pretty much typo-fixing) and at no point did it mention explicitly the "death penalty", simply that (paraphrase) "abortion will be considered a felony crime," which I'm guessing felony crimes can be punished by the death penalty. So yeah, not trying to be pro-republican here (hate left wing super religious types anyway) but just the sand grain of truth on the beach of crazy news outlets.
BTW, the bill |
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phoneybone
Male, 18-29, Western US
1750 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:11:01 AM
MSNBC left out this gem, clearly absolving miscarriages:
'Prenatal murder' means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however, that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder.
Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.
tl;dr - abortion = murder; miscarriage not-equal murder |
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 buttsdowhat
Female, 18-29, Southern US
373 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 1:01:48 AM
This is ignorant and makes me angry. |
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phoneybone
Male, 18-29, Western US
1750 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:57:19 AM
i want to see a link for the real bill in its original wording, can't help but think the news spun it juuuuust a bit |
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 sgtstumpy
Male, 30-39, Southern US
59 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:29:55 AM
Actually, it sounds pretty Sharia Law to me. |
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sgtstumpy
Male, 30-39, Southern US
59 Posts
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Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:29:11 AM
Dude, I live in Georgia. Folks don't put democrats in our legislature and this is what we get for it. Idiot redneck bible thumper wants to put half his constituents to death. Sounds pretty Christian to me. |
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Jammacan
Female, 13-17, Southern US
155 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:56:23 PM
Thats it, I'm moving to Canada. |
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 misiz_sjmxo
Female, 18-29, Canada
78 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:01:35 PM
1 in 4 pregnancies ends in miscarriage. That guy is crazy as shiiiat |
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 Schr0dinger
Male, 50-59, Western US
361 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:12:33 PM
If you thought for one second that this was anything but a smear on the Repubs, If you thought for even half a second that this was as presented and couldnt see it for what it was, well, you are so stupid that I ask you to please kill yourself before you breed and pollute the earth with more fools like yourself. |
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 queenofleon
Female, 18-29, Europe
56 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:08:01 PM
My marxist feminist dialect brings all the boys to the yarrrrd ! |
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 hi2pi
Male, 30-39, Canada
738 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:03:45 PM
lol.
Good luck, America.
Maybe try sending you kids to school some time? Oh, hold on, that would be socialism, wouldn't it?
lol |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
16887 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:49:57 PM
Well, once again hysteria wins out over actually reading the law. Just another day in the MSM. Never miss a chance to slander a Republican, that's the MSM motto, eh? |
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 NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
1103 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:34:03 PM
Stupid Republicans need to crack a science book every once and a while. Miscarriages happen to A LOT of people! They're completely normal. There is no reason to interrogate women who have them.
Not to mention that fact that the law would be unconstitutional. Abortion was decided by the supreme court to be a constitutional right granted under the 14th amendment (don't ask me why) and of course we all know that a state cannot take away a right granted by the constitution. |
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 BDT1981
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
121 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 6:03:58 PM
original post by DingDingDong now on the second page of comments
Come on people, obviously horrible journalism at work here.
I'm not saying I agree with the bill, but at least look at the actual text:
the bill
(2) 'Prenatal murder' means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an
115 intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however,
116 that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother
117 and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder.
118 Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically
119 as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human
120 involvement whatsoever in the ca |
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 SvampeBob
Male, 18-29, Europe
3088 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 5:26:14 PM
let me guess, there is some religion involved in there somewhere |
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furryblob
Male, 18-29, Europe
526 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:48:24 PM
Typical republicans, don't surprise me anymore. |
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shieldbash
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
14 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:38:53 PM
ukulelemike you are absolutely wrong in relation to how "natural" spontaneous abortions are. It is an extremely common phenomena across species and cultures. In fact, many studies have suggested that that many miscarriages occur prior to any conscious awareness of pregnancy. Fertilization is a crap shoot. Just because an egg becomes fertilized it does not mean that the resulting foetus will be viable.
You are correct that any of those things you mentioned may increase the likelihood of a miscarriage, but some estimates suggest that the majority (60-80%) are due to genetic abnormalities of either the sperm or egg, not caused by environmental stresses (the upper bounds of this statistic is reached with increasing age).
You could find out all of this information with a quick read from the Mayo Clinic if you so choose. |
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 Jennish
Female, 18-29, Australia
24 Posts
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Saturday, March 26, 2011 4:37:53 PM
"yet it shouldn't happen much at all" ukelele, do you realize how many miscarriages are from genetic problems or chromosonal abnormalities? how many embryos fail to thrive because of THEIR dna makeup? it happens ALL THE TIME and it's not the mother's fault. what about women who miscarry over and over again while trying to have a baby? or the ones who have to go into IVF or surrogacy? is it because they're all crackwhores doing likes of coke and shots of jager? yes, some women make the unfortunate choice of drinking or doing drugs when pregnant but that is NOT the biggest contributing factor to miscarriages. |
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