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Prayer Vs. Doing Something About Problem [Pic]

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kdawg646
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 5 Posts
Wednesday, April 06, 2011 2:14:25 PM
so many people misinterpret this, but now that i think about, prayer didn't fix my truck, didn't fix the water heater, or the dryer. the way i see it is prayer is not a practical choice

ericka225
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:42:27 PM
Um 1. just because a person prays doesn't mean they give up and stop trying to fix the solution.
2. Sometimes when there is nothing else you can do to fix a solution like o say when you have cancer..praying is the last thing someone can do and it gives them some hope..3. whose to say that praying doesn't fix or helps it get fixed just because you "think" it was all you doesn't mean that was all that happened there. It all comes down to what you believe or not believe.. but there ya go making a broad assumption on an opinion.. hmm :P

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12073 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 11:46:44 PM
vv UserIDTaken9, christfag is not the same thing as Christian, at least when I use it. Westboro Baptist Church are christfags. Normal and rational Christians (i.e., not hate-filled bigots) are Christians.

UserIDTaken9
Male, 18-29, Western US
 52 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:27:42 PM
Did you really just ban a guy for that and then call him a christfag? Well, as long as we've got rid of all the people who like to use slurs to pass judgment on entire groups...

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12073 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 5:15:16 PM
vv Sorry Altaru, once they're deleted they're gone, there's no backup. I banhammer'd him, but I didn't delete his posts, someone else must have. Generally speaking I always leave posts after a ban (unless it's porn pics or spam) - I think it keeps things clean and leaves an "audit trail" so other users can read for themselves why a particular user was banned.

He did say things such as "go away gay dude...
WHAT SHOULD I EXPECT FROM A BI-SEXUAL DUDE...
gay boy" as quoted below, I gave him a warning for hate speech/personal attack, and then he went on a 4-post rant on how bisexuality and homosexuality was a sick perversion/mental disorder, you're no better than a pedophile, etc etc.

Unfortunately fattpill shows once again that the most evangelical, misty-eyed, love-filled christfags are usually the very same ones who are the most disgustingly hate-filled bigots. Can't say I was surprised.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 2:57:09 PM
Actually, before I go... Is it possible for the mods to send me a copy of what Fatty wrote?

Davy, you've sent me e-mails before. Is there some great database where deleted posts can be retrieved so I could see them?

It's bugging me, I just wanna see it in his own words...

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 2:46:00 PM
Huh... I kind of forgot about this for a while...

Now that I come back, it seems Fatty disappeared.

Though not with his usual nonsensical retaliation based on Ad Hominem and petty insults.

From what I gather, he must have checked my profile and saw that I'm bi?

I openly admit to being a hedonist. I look out for myself and try to make me happy at all times. That has, in the past, meant non-exclusivity in my sexual orientation. (That said, I avoid harming others for my own gain, so it's not like it hurts anyone.)

That said, sexual orientation has nothing to do with intelligence or the validity of my comparison, and any attempt to link the two shows a level of bigotry and outright ignorance that I rarely see outside the most backwoods regions of America...

I think I understand how he met god now...

He tripped out on so many drugs, he saw god and killed half his brain cells in one go, lol.

I'm probably gonna stay gone

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:32:54 AM
Clearly I was wrong about us getting anywhere. Never mind.

SvampeBob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 3088 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 10:24:08 AM
yeah fattpill disappeared :D

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 4:29:59 AM
go away gay dude
WHAT SHOULD I EXPECT FROM A BI-SEXUAL DUDE
gay boy


... come on man, don't make me pull back and put my mod hat on JUST when I thought we might be getting somewhere in this discussion.

That sort of stuff is way, way out of line, aside from being massively counterproductive to your arguments.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 4:21:16 AM
first off for a 23 year old man I have to say your intelligence is astounding. If you learned about the word of God you could change the world for God.

Instead of arguing about that second sentence I think I'll just take it as the compliment you intended and say thanks :)

Check out Ravi Zacharias he is Indian that is from Scotland.

I've heard the name, but I don't know much about him. From what I gather he's Canadian, not Scottish though, isn't he?

I know you see this as if, If someone knows the choice you are going to make then there is 0% chance of you making the other decision.

Exactly. To me, the maths speaks for itself. If the outcome of a choice is known with certainty, which is the case with omniscience, then alternatives become impossible.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12073 Posts
Monday, March 28, 2011 12:57:25 AM
@altaru

THIS IS INCREDIBLY MORONICALLY WRONG AND A RIDICULOUS COMPARISON BUT WHAT SHOULD I EXPECT FROM A BI-SEXUAL DUDE.


So you clicked on his profile and it said "Bisexual".
Look, bub. When I said it's cool to post whatever sentiments you like, what I should have said is, I will personally ban you into the Adminisphere if you're a homophobic bigot. We have a Zero-Tolerance policy on hate-speech. Or at least I do. Maybe you can Email fancylad after I permaban you, and make an appeal. Maybe he'll reinstate your account. Probably not.

We can do without people like you fattpill. Forget the nicey-nicey post earlier, (I was genuinely trying to be nice, you then raped it). If you're a homophobic a*shole then you have no place here.

Dancing on the fault-line, Fattpill. You're welcome to stay if you drop the bullsh*t. And yes, that's an official warning.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:09:05 PM
I am trying to decide whether to bake a cake, or brownies. God, who is omniscient, knows with 100% certainty before I choose that I am going to bake brownies.

Therefore the probability of my baking brownies, P(brownies) = 1, i.e. completely guaranteed. And the probability of my baking a cake, P(cake) = 0, i.e. completely impossible (since God knows for sure that I will choose brownies).

So if my probability of making a cake is 0, then I have no choice, even if I'm not aware of the probabilities.

I might think I have a choice, but I don't.

I just don't see how if I was to go forward 10 years and come back knowing who you were going to marry that it would actually affect your decision making process, especially if you had no knowledge.

It wouldn't affect it. That's the point - it's guaranteed. If you knew, with 100% certainty, I will marry Mary, I have 0% chance of marrying Elizabeth.

See my cake/brownie analogy.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 6:06:36 PM
Almighty, I think you should do a little more research about Andrew Carnegie if you don't think that the Infinite intelligence came in to play in how he went about building his wealth.

Andrew Carnegie made his fortune in the steel industry. If you can tell me how he implemented his faith into the smelting of steel, then I will concede that his methods were not secular.
You are confusing methods with motivation.

Also, I'm sorry but I really don't want to dig through 12 pages of comments to find one analogy about cakes. So we'll just have to agree to disagree.

The cake analogy was in the post before the one you responded to. You literally had to read the very next post to find it.

However, to avoid any possibility you'll miss it, I'll post it again in my next post (which will be immediately above this).

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:30:07 PM
Almighty, I think you should do a little more research about Andrew Carnegie if you don't think that the Infinite intelligence came in to play in how he went about building his wealth. He hired a man to follow him and his peers for 20 yrs. Check it out. "Think and Grow Rich." "Law of Success" or "The Master-Key to riches." Napoleon Hill. You are confusing infinite intelligence and master minds with religion. To quote "It supports all religions and none." (wise words)

Also, I'm sorry but I really don't want to dig through 12 pages of comments to find one analogy about cakes. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. DISCLAIMER: THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL, NOT SOMETHING I CAN ACTUALLY DO!(for psycho, who apparently has trouble inferring)

I just don't see how if I was to go forward 10 years and come back knowing who you were going to marry that it would actually affect your decision making process, especially if you had no knowledge.

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 2:15:09 PM
@psycho

I'm sorry, you are right let me rephrase to satisfy the nit in your pick.

Time travel forward is proven possible, relative to the time that we experience here on Earth (see clocks GPS/car). Time travel backwards is still in theory.

Note the key word "If" in my question. IF someone, not when, not someone has, but if, which calls in to doubt if it can or can't happen, but presumes that it is a possibility.

Also note "is working on it" about Mallett. Everything anyone says about future technologies is speculation. That's why I said "imagine" what we can do in 3000 years. I doubt we are just going to stop... I mean for Pete's sake we are talking about time travel, alien species thousands of years ahead of us. I didn't realize that this needed to be qualified with a "maybe" with all of the other indications that I was talking about a "thought experiment."

MurphyBed
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 126 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:58:35 AM
Fattpill, where are you getting this from? Righthearted? Legal structure? The bible says nothing about god giving himself rules to follow. And so now god is waiting for all the "right" people to accept Jesus, then he'll show himself? Why? And where on earth did you read THAT? On a billboard in Arkansas?

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:52:49 AM
Even if they are crackpots, you going to question their methods?

No, because their scientific methods for their achievements were secular methods. They did not factor religion into their calculations.

Science and "logic" don't have all the answers either.

Science doesn't make that claim. In fact, the basis of science is the very opposite claim - we will NEVER know everything there is to know. That is why any theory can always be overturned by new evidence.


In response to the hypothetical time traveller question:
He is omniscient at this point. He may know every action you are going to take, and what the end result is going to be. Does that take away your free will, or change how you act?

Yes, if he is truly omniscient it means I have no free will, since the probability of me taking any action other than the one he knows with 100% certainty I will take is 0. See my cake/brownie analogy.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:42:19 AM
He knows what choices you are going to make but even still its up to you to make them. I do not think that just because He is aware of them that he orchestrates them.

He doesn't necessarily have to do anything to orchestrate them. But 100% foreknowledge of an event means the possibility of anything else happening is 0%.

Another example. I am trying to decide whether to bake a cake, or brownies. God, who is omniscient, knows with 100% certainty before I choose that I am going to bake brownies.

Therefore the probability of my baking brownies, P(brownies) = 1, i.e. completely guaranteed. And the probability of my baking a cake, P(cake) = 0, i.e. completely impossible (since God knows for sure that I will choose brownies).

So if my probability of making a cake is 0, then I have no choice, even if I'm not aware of the probabilities.

I might think I have a choice, but I don't.

Do you follow that logic?

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:37:01 AM
There have been Tsunami's that have not made the news. come on you know that's not a good argument

Not at all. Tsunamis are fairly rare, but they are not unique. Someone being cured of a disease, for which there is no known cure, is unique.
As it happens, one man in recorded history has been cured of HIV. He was the subject of a bone marrow transplant in Germany. He was cured by modern medical science. And it was HUGE news.

Regardless, that was merely an aside. Why is Satkela's anecdote evidence for God, and mine is not evidence against?

so I think you are saying that God put the wiring in you therefore he made you to make the choices you do. I think that is what you are asking me.

Ehhmm... almost. It's not quite the meaning I had in mind, but it's fairly close. This analogy sounds more like a programmer writing a program and then knowing how it will perform - which is also a fairly good one.

psychosax
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 118 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:13:56 AM
It's still a hypothetical question. Mallett has not conducted an experiment to PROVE his claim that time travel is possible. Sure, the way a circulating beam of light creates gravity waves is interesting, but that's as far as he's gotten. He's still looking for funding for his research.
As far as Michio Kaku goes, everything he's ever said about future technologies is just speculation. Granted, I think he's cool and all too, but there comes a point where we need to stop substituting published scientific theories with speculation of the future.
Maybe time travel WILL be possible in the distant future, but please don't try to sell your thought experiment being preceded by anything more than "maybe."

Qwertyuiop95
Male, 18-29, Western US
 217 Posts
Sunday, March 27, 2011 12:44:14 AM
I look at a post on prayer and there's a flame war about time travel going on. Leave it to IAB, I suppose.

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:05:10 PM
And my personal favorite scientist, Michio Kaku!

Care to answer what was a hypothetical question in the first place?

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:53:44 PM
Well here's a physicist from university of CT who is working on it.

Video

One example. There's also the group that says they have moved a few lil'bits about 3 ft on a miniscule scale.

And then there's the whole fact that because of the weird relationship between time and distance your GPS satellites all have a different speed clock than you have in your car.

And that's now, give us 3000 years and see where we're at. After all, the athiests know we will just keep evolving into more and more awesomeness!

psychosax
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 118 Posts
Saturday, March 26, 2011 9:32:02 PM
@T-Marley

Care to provide a source to back up your claim that time travel is "scientifically proven to be possible"?

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